On Monday Uri Maklev (Degel HaTorah) sharply criticized the approach advocating the integration of Torah study with military service, in a speech delivered before yeshiva students.
Maklev said that, in his view, the main challenge stemmed from Religious Zionist Torah leaders who promoted the idea of combining Torah study with military service.
“Some political figures said that it is possible to have Torah study while also pursuing other endeavors - this is the approach of Religious Zionism, and for this they will not be forgiven," Maklev said. “People introduced this idea and said, ‘We study Torah, but it is also possible to do so alongside service.’ This concept, this great damage - this is what we are dealing with."
Rabbi Chaim Navon responded: “A thousand apologies, Maklev, but we did not say this; rather, Rabbi Yossi said it in Tractate Yevamot: ‘Anyone who says, “I have only Torah," does not even have Torah.’ What we did was open the Gemara and expose your bluff - and for that, we apologize."
But the Charedim are right on this issue because many in the DL world have a weak foundation in gemara and halacha and in general lack a real mesorah.
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DeleteI see that you are a dumb naive Yeshivishe Chareidie who gets his info from RY that call Jewish Children in uniform that are moiser nefesh for klall Yisrael, "rashaim" and "murderers"
There thousands in the DL community that are "baki in Shas and poiskim"
DL shuls are packed with pashute bala-batim whose knowledge in Halacha would run circles around any Yeshivishe Graduate from Slabodka
They actually have the real mesorah, Chardeie Mesora goes back only 50 years, besides that many are amaratzim!
Given how easy it was to produce a source confirming the DL position, this Gadol(tm) doesn't seem to have much of a foundation in gemara or halacha either.
DeleteYour 3:08 comment is proof positive that you are off your rocker! Even your fellow krumma traveler Slifkin says we go back to R’ Chaim Volozhiner who in his arrogant kefira he proceeds to denigrate
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DeleteSpeaking about "going off your rocker" Your comment is entirely incoherent
#1 - I don’t see the problem with Maklev stating his position. He didn’t call anyone a Rasha.
ReplyDelete#2 - I looked up the Gemara in Yevamos 109. I honestly don’t see the relevance. He is referring to Kiyum Hamitzvos and Schar for Limud Torah. Still, I’m sure Rav Navon looked up the Gemara as well and he is clearly entitled to share his position.
#3 - I would be thrilled if thousands of Jews in any community are bekiim in Shas and Poskim. I think a good use of this blog would be to name ten such Talmidei Chachomim in the DL community who did military service and profile them. That would make your point much stronger than anything else.