I am not at all surprised, the Holocaust is not taught in Yeshivois and they would never go to Yad Ve'shem. Their Roshei Yeshiva state during the 9 days that Jewish children in uniform are "murderers" and "rashaim" and curse Dati-Leumi Gedoilim that encourage learning Torah and serving.
They do not even recognize the State they live in, and the State that gives them benefits!
They do not believe that October 7 war was a war of defense, they believe "that Israel went to war to glorify the State!" A totally insane perspective! That shows total disconnect , ignorance and empathy of their own brethren that were raped, beheaded, burned and murdered,
So why should anybody be surprised when they say that they would prefer being in Auschwitz than enlisting! At the same time they make massive protests when one of the draft evaders goes to a Jewish prison.
Bunch of double talk coming straight from the top, and it stinks!
According to ALL Gedoilim that experienced the concentration camps, this was the worse tragedy to have occurred to the Jewish people in its entire history and they are including the destruction of Bais Hamikdash!
Eirev Rav. They should be careful what they wish for, words have power.
ReplyDeleteCult members behaving like cultists, led by morally ambiguous reshoim.. Whatever religion they practice, it is certainly not Judaism.
ReplyDeleteIf only they'd taste a bit of what that suffering was, maybe they'd shut their mouths.
ReplyDeleteDIN lies on so many levels. The last paragraph is also not true. Gedolim say Tach Vetat was worse than the Holocaust but don’t let DIN get confused by the simple math of proportions
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DeleteYou are obviously a troll! The Kloizinberger Rebbe who lost a wife and 11 children said that! Even the Satmar Rebbe says that in his hakdama to the Al Hagila!
Those "ketanim" that say "Tach Vetat" was worse than the Holocaust" are unmitigated liars.
The accepted historical estimate of how many Jews were murdered during the Tach Vetat is 100,000 whereas in the Holocaust was 6 million!
≈ 100,000 Jews murdered
Maybe R’ Yoel said that because Zionists aided & abetted Eichman. The 1648 proportion thing is brought by the Ramchal bsheim Rav Shimshon Ostropoli
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DeleteI'm surprised you brought down the Ramchal... didn't he shave? Don't you creepy Yeshivishe amaratzim consider a Rav who shaves an Apikoras?
Then R’ Yoel shouldn’t have gotten on the Zionist Kastner train. Hypocrite.
DeleteWell written, and I get your points,
ReplyDeleteI am staying in the USA until השם sends משיח to take us out from גלות
Do I feel as safe in New York now as 10 years ago NO, is it safer now then in Mayor Dinkins times, YES
Now I wonder,
(1) do you the שנאה between חרדים and the secular
Worst then 10 years ago?
(2) Are more חרדים arrested in New York or Isreal, for not joining the military
(3)In the last 5 years, where were more jews killed, in Israel or the whole world combined
(4) we here live with the experience of our parents in the gas chambers and know if משיח doesn't come soon enough, we might have to run, if חס ושלום, Iran ימ"ש gets atomic bomb, where are you running ???
אם לא ישמור עיר השם
שוא שקד שומר
We pray for the yiden in ירושלים, USA, and the world
Naftuli
DeleteWhere have I heard your comment "I am staying in the USA until השם sends משיח to take us out from גלות" before?
Oh I remember now..those who had visas prior ww2 but steadfastly refused to leave!
1) The "secular" living in Israel now have more zechusim than you, that is over a Mitzvas Esseh De'Oriisah according to the Ramban and the Ohr Hachyim Hakodosh!
2)Charedim haven't been arrested in NY yet, but are being stabbed and murdered!
3) Since Israel has been in existence, fewer Jews have been killed than at any time in Jewish history , there are people still alive who remember that 6 million Jews were brutally murdered in Europe, and yet not one Jew who lived in Israel was touched.
4) You are going to run to the Zionist State of Israel and you had better pray that Israel has an army !
This is all on the "gedolim". Aka pieces of shit in lashon kodesh. They created this monster.
ReplyDeleteהקדוש ברוך ישלם שכרם
Undeserving of any respect.
no chasidish amaratzim, most roshey yeshiva shaved when they were younger
ReplyDelete10:38
DeleteThey weren't RY when they were shaving and younger, That's in is the crucial difference.
It's you who sounds like a pretty grubba am haaretz right now. Like you don't know that there is a shita of the Medieval Italki Mekubolim to shave which is not criticized by the rest of the oylam Hatorah even though they do not personally shave? Rav Sroya Deblitzky ztl was a recent gadol who after delving into the sifrei Italki Mekobolim adopted their shitos. But someone has to be on a high madreigah to shave for that reason. They can't be just any Schmo or DIN out there
ReplyDeleteThis is the most comical comment I have read in a long time, trying to twist yourself into a pretzel to explain why the Mesilas Yesharim shaved!
DeleteYou scribble:
" is a shita of the Medieval Italki Mekubolim to shave which is not criticized by the rest of the oylam Hatorah even though they do not personally shave"
That is so crazy that it borders on insanity!
They don't shave but they refuse to condemn their fellow mekubal that did in fact shave!
This is exactly my point about Chardeim
They have a RY of Slabodka that during the 9 days called other Frum Jews "Rashaim" and " Murderers" and yet they say that "we don't really understand what he said!
Crazy!
Then to bolster your insanity, you write:
" someone has to be on a high madreigah to shave for that reason. "
"high madreiga to shave" I guess the Chazaon Ish and the Steiple and now Rav Landau are not "on that madreigah"
Guys
I swear they need to be institutionalized; instead they walk the streets and comment on DIN
I really got to get out of here!
Koifer vos du bist! For this reason alone that you mock echte Mekubolim, you takka need to get out of here & I hope the door slams your rear end on the way out. It’s you who twists things to create a falshe pirud mit Chazon Ish. This is like the chiyuv to eat meat on Shabbos but etlicher gedolim are allowed to skip it for reasons al pi Soid. The gedolim you mockingly list continued eating fleish but others stopped, including even R’ Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz. Chazon Ish never criticized him just like he was fine with Rav Deblitzky who was actually close to him! Boy do you look foolish! Thanks for picking the one example that leaves you & your shtussim upgeshlogt! One thing is for sure, the Chazon Ish would never accept your krumkeiten while he accepted the above mentioned tayereh gedolim. You are DIN who never admits you lose an argument. You will just create more distractions & letzonus against anyone you disagree with
Delete3:39
DeleteThe only reason I'm here is to get in your hair. From what I gather from your comments, is that you are a yeshivishe "uop'gerissiner naar" and a big amhaaretz to boot!
After I pointed out that the Mesilas Yesharim , shaved, you came up with a made-up pshat that one "has to be in a very high madreiga to shave, since you believe erroneously believe that shaving has some kabbalistic significance! So I pointed out that according to your twisted logic the Chazon Ish and the Steipler could not have been on a high madreiga since they didn't shave.
Your logic is unadulterated insanity !
Now I'll let you into a secret, the Ramchal himself states why he shaved and that's why the entire world knows that he shaved, and guess what? It has nothing to do with Kabbala! Nothing! Zilch! Nada!
The reason he shaved was because in his days the priests grew beards, and so some of the Gedoilim of the time decided to do the opposite and shave!
So I would advise you to shut up before you put your smelly foot into your mouth again
So why dont they go back to Auschwitz /Poland and leave Israel to those who love it?
ReplyDeleteJust because Ramchal didn’t want to look like Galochim does not negate an additional reason. People used to ask all the time if R’ Soraya is a gadol what’s with his beard? He was noiheg like Mekubolei Italia who had their own method in Nistar anderish fun Kaf Hachaim who warns about gilgul parah for those who shave. Speaking of these inyanim, I wonder how DIN behaved in a previous life that he acts vee a Ferd in this incarnation! (With smelly HOOVES in zein pisk)
ReplyDeleteHey is for hoese
DeleteI caught you by your made-up reason why the Ramchal shaved so now you say there was another reason, and that other reason is the one you made up!
If there was a "kabbalistic reason why he shaved" the Ramchal would have told us, but all he wrote was the reason I gave you, but you like the meshiginar that you are to make up some "kabbalistic high madreiga" for shaving
Pure insanity!
This discussion is over, my father z"l told me not to engage with fools!