So are you saying that this is really an "aveirah tantz?" Because everyone else is staring at her! So if it's prohibited, why isn't it prohibited for everyone? So is he a greater Tzaddik than Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchok in Ketubot 17a that not only danced in front of the kalla but praised how she looked !
5:36 So we should totally discard the beginning of this story? The why was it put in the gemarra? In fact we all sing these very words in the here and now כלה נאה וחסידה
וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים: ״כַּלָּה נָאָה וַחֲסוּדָה״. עיין טוש"ע אה"ע סימן סה סעיף א: The Tur Shulchan Aruch paskens like Bais Hillel that you can look at the Kallah and sing that she is pretty!
How is this even possible?? מותר להסתכל בתכשיטין שעליה או בפריעת ראשה You can look at her jewlry on her chest and you can stare at her hair but cannot look at her face! Makes no sense and is impossible to do!~
Okauy, I'll ask: why is he covering his face?
ReplyDeleteShmiras Eiynayim. Not to look a females.
ReplyDeleteSo are you saying that this is really an "aveirah tantz?" Because everyone else is staring at her!
DeleteSo if it's prohibited, why isn't it prohibited for everyone?
So is he a greater Tzaddik than Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzchok in Ketubot 17a that not only danced in front of the kalla but praised how she looked !
I'm actually surprised that women are even allowed in the room.
DeleteI'm sure you saw the end of the gemara where it says explicitly it is forbidden to look at a kallah
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DeleteSo we should totally discard the beginning of this story?
The why was it put in the gemarra?
In fact we all sing these very words in the here and now
כלה נאה וחסידה
אָמַר רַבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר נַחְמָנִי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹנָתָן: מוּתָּר לְהִסְתַּכֵּל בִּפְנֵי כַלָּה כׇּל שִׁבְעָה, כְּדֵי לְחַבְּבָהּ עַל בַּעְלָהּ. וְלֵית הִלְכְתָא כְּווֹתֵיהּ.
Deletehttps://www.sefaria.org/Ketubot.17a.8
וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים: ״כַּלָּה נָאָה וַחֲסוּדָה״.
Deleteעיין טוש"ע אה"ע סימן סה סעיף א:
The Tur Shulchan Aruch paskens like Bais Hillel that you can look at the Kallah and sing that she is pretty!
אסור להסתכל בכלה (אבל מותר להסתכל בתכשיטין שעליה או בפריעת ראשה) (טור):
Deletehttps://www.sefaria.org/Shulchan_Arukh,_Even_HaEzer.65.2
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DeleteThis Tur that you quote is not practiced by the biggest Gedoilei Hador! They all stare at the Kallah. Have you been living under a rock?
How is this even possible??
Deleteמותר להסתכל בתכשיטין שעליה או בפריעת ראשה
You can look at her jewlry on her chest and you can stare at her hair but cannot look at her face!
Makes no sense and is impossible to do!~
There is obviously some other reason why he is covering his face. If it were for tznius reasons then all the other men there would be doing so too.
ReplyDeleteעם סכל ונבל
ReplyDeleteI believe there is a chazal that encourages gazing at a kallah
ReplyDeleteMaybe he's just so ugly and they don't want the Kallah to run away
ReplyDeleteWhich "Hasidic" sect is it?
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