The tide, at least, in Ramat Beit Shemesh is slowly turning in the direction of sanity! Charedim decided to honor Yom Hatzmeot with a car procession proudly displaying the Jewish Flag!
Rabbanim in Beit Shemesh are going literally insane with rage and responded with an entire post of Chareidie minhagim that all Chareidie Rabbanim in the past "hated Zionists" ! It is of course, riddled with half-truths and whole lies! The Rabbanim made sure that their response be posted on the "tumedikeh" Social Media," of which they previously ruled "yeherag ve'al yaahrog" to be on social media!
But these New Chareidim are not at all fazed and promised to continue their display of loyalty and Hakaras Hatoiv! They now also opened Shuls with their own Rabbanim in Ramat Beit Shemesh Dalet!
Below, I translated from the Hebrew as best as I could the Charedie response!
A great rift in the camp over the new "Chareidim" and the Independence Day parade
in the heart of the city of Torah and Hasidism in Ramat Beit Shemesh, a spectacle that shakes every Chareidie heart:
A convoy of vehicles of boys and girls from the ultra-Orthodox sector, proudly carrying the flag of the State of Israel, singing Independence Day songs, celebrating with joy and enthusiasm what the great leaders of Israel have determined as a "day of calamity".
How did we get to this point?
The Chareidie public has never recognized the State of Israel as a spiritual, moral, or Torah authority. On the contrary, since the establishment of the state, the great sages of Israel have stood as a bulwark against secularization trends, alienation from Shabbat, laws that contradict Halacha, and repeated attacks on the sanctities of Israel.
This is not a political debate, but a religious one: Zionism sought to replace the Torah as the basis for the existence of the Jewish people. Every national holiday, every state institution, is a derivative of the same outlook – that it is possible to build a Jewish nation even without observing the Torah.
The basis of the resistance: the state – the negation of the kingdom of heaven.
The authentic Chareidie opposition to the state does not stem from political or nationalist animosity, but from a fundamental and fundamental root – the negation of the kingdom of heaven. The Chazon Ish zt"l wrote in his letters that the entire leadership of the state is based on ideas of heresy, taken from the Enlightenment and Western Europe, and not based on the opinion of the Torah. "This government is nothing but a defiance against the yoke of the Kingdom of Heaven," he wrote, adding that "it has no foundation of holiness at all" and also wrote, "We are not against the people, but we cannot agree with the negation of the Torah as the foundation of the state." (Letters, Iggerot Chazua, Part I, Letter 111).
The Gaon of Brisk, Rabbi Yitzchak Ze'ev Soloveitchik z"a, said firmly: "This is not just a secular state – there is a denial of the Torah, an attempt to establish a 'new Judaism,' secular, without the tradition of the generations. There are no compromises on that." He added in his sharp language: "If the state were only a corporeal decree – we would pray for it. But it's a spiritual decree – we have to stay away from it." This is a state of the courts, not of the Torah, and it is forbidden to enjoy it or cooperate with it, even in ways that seem positive."
Maran Rosh Yeshiva, Hagaon Rabbi Elazar Menachem Mann Shach zt"l, also warned again and again against the "new holiday": "They invented new holidays: Independence Day, Jerusalem Day, Memorial Day, and all in the spirit of secularization... Is this our way? Did the great sages of Israel throughout the generations celebrate these days?"
One of the greatest yeshiva leaders of the previous generation has already said: "Anyone who raises the flag of the state is as if he is waving his hand against Sinai!"
The celebration of Independence Day is perceived by many as a national achievement, but the eyes of the great leaders of Israel see the real picture. This day represents, first and foremost, a defiance against God's redemption and a true resurrection that will come only from above, with the coming of our righteous Messiah. Today, Independence promotes the idea that flesh and blood, while abandoning the Torah, can establish redemption – and this is the root of heresy. As the Rav of Satmar z"a wrote in his book "Yoel Moshe": "To establish a state on the basis of rebellion against the Kingdom of Heaven is a severe prohibition and a source of slander in Heaven."
The New Chareidim – A Dangerous Youth Rebellion with Implications for Generations!
The young people who boast of being called "modern Haredim" are nothing but rebellious children who think that it is possible to combine Torah with secularism, Judaism with Zionism, the way of God with Western culture. They do not understand the depth of the spiritual danger of their steps, which will continue to be a cry for generations. Their protest against the Torah leadership is not "open-mindedness" – but rather a rupture of the tradition of the generations. They are cutting off the branch on which they sit – the moral and educational backbone that has brought us to this point.
This is the place of educators, rabbis and parents – not to caress, but to illuminate and clarify: Derech Yisrael Saba does not tolerate foreign values.
As our rabbis said: "Do not look at his appearance... For he is disgusted" – one should not be impressed by the external disguise of "Torah with the way of. If the path is one of abandonment and defiance of our rabbis.
Our generation needs more than ever the clear voice of the great sages of Israel, who call us back to the old tracks. We must teach the younger generation who the Chafetz Chaim was, the Gra of Vilna, the Chazon Zohar, the Rogachover, Maran HaRav Shlomo Wasner, the Gaon Shteinman zt"l – who with great caution distanced themselves from any contact with the symbols of the state, and were taught to separate themselves from its ways.
This is not a "legitimate" argument – there is a dangerous deviation from the path of the greatest of the generations. Anyone who aches for the glory of Heaven is obligated to stand in the gap, to speak to the hearts of the young people, and to bring them back to the bosom of the true Torah – a Torah that does not have a wink at the state, but rather a devotion to the integrity of Halakha and the sanctity of the Jewish people. And this is actually the basis of the dispute between us and the traditionalists or our national-religious brothers.
There are many quotes from those leaders who established the state who expressed more than once or twice that there will not be one more ultra-Orthodox in the state, that was their goal and that was their intention in establishing the state.
For example, Chareidie insistence on not enlisting yeshiva students in the army, which is perceived by many who are not Chareidie as evasion of a moral national duty, to which it is quite difficult to explain why we evade compulsory service that every youth in Israel does, but the great leaders of Israel in recent generations have seen from afar and understood that the army is a heretical melting pot, one of whose main goals is to turn everyone into one bloc of Israeli women who live a life of freedom in our country without observing the Torah. They have no interest in Chareidim in the army, they don't need them and they are even very afraid of them, but their desire to turn everyone into Israelis who discharge the burden outweighs these fears, and therefore their war is constant in recruiting yeshiva students.
Therefore, the Gedolei Yisrael said that even a young man who does not study in a yeshiva and even works is forbidden to enlist, because the spiritual dangers of enlistment are enormous.
Go out and see from our national-religious brothers how they bleed their sons into the arms of the secular, according to the clear statistics, close to 20% and even more of their sons and daughters who enter the army leave after three years without a kippah and without observing the Sabbath and the values of the mitzvot.
It is not for nothing that the Chazon ruled that the enlistment of girls for the army or national service is a matter of killing and not passing!
Anyone who lives and walks around in the national religious communities and knows families knows firsthand that over 20% of the next generation unburdens themselves with the burden of Torah.
And also according to their view that fighting in the army is a mitzvah, we have the halacha of a baby whose siblings died because of circumcision, for which they do not perform a circumcision, which is a Torah mitzvah, so all the more so when we see that their siblings die spiritually in the army, there is no doubt that they are exempt from the mitzva of conscription.
In summary:
Although we sometimes have feelings of nationalism or feelings of unpleasantness towards our brethren from whom we are supposedly separated, we must remember and memorize what the Torah says about the obligation to obey the Torah and to the Torah scholars and the Gedolei Yisrael *according to the Torah and the judgment that will be said to you, "You shall do it."
The great sages of Israel saw from afar that the Holy Spirit spoke from among them, the Chazon Ish, Rabbi Shach, the Rabbi of Brisk, Rabbi Shteinman, and other great and righteous people, who knew exactly what the intentions of those leaders who broke the yoke who did not observe Shabbat and did not put on tefillin, they knew them from Europe and knew how to beware of them.
And they ruled that we are absolutely forbidden to participate in the holidays of the state, and that we must not enlist in the army, and that we must completely separate ourselves from them for the sake of our spiritual future in the Land of Israel.
What happened yesterday in Ramat Beit Shemesh, which may seem like a small and stupid act, but in the long run, it could turn into a terrible snowball that in a few years we will all be crying about.
Those modern boys didn't really understand the meaning of what they did.
I hope that G-d will enlighten their eyes and they will understand the terrible mistake they made, and only that it will not be a cry for generations.
If they are shpringen arim with those flags they are by definition nisht Chareidishe. They are Dati Leumi or Chutznik Moderner with Chareidi-ish costumes that comes mit etlicher benefits. Tzee shtell fin Santos who is Jew-ish
ReplyDeleteYou can say that about Satmar too, since they "shpringen arim" with Palestinian flags "they are by definition nisht Chareidishe" they are Leftists Zionists!
DeleteDin We know your an anti semite as you wait yidden with a sick distorted passion but no one flies the Palestinian flag because they’re satmar stop with your stupid lies pick a different hobby like tennis or skydiving
DeleteThere have been four major crisis to affect the Jewish people in the last 250 years.
ReplyDelete1) Reform - Daas hedyot said "Look, some of the things they're asking for are reasonable and don't contradict halakha so let's compromise on those and maybe they won't push the heretical part". Daas Torah said "Everything they say is assur because they said it! No compromise!" How did that work out?
2) Haskalah - see (1)
3) Zionism - Daas Hedyot said "Well returning to Israel and rebuilding a Jewish society there is kind of what we pray for 3 times a day so maybe we should join in and engage in it al pi halakha so the movement stays within the bounds of Judaism". Daas Torah was "No, prayers are just that. The Torah says we have to stay put and live in misery! Besides, God hates them so they'll never succeed." How did that work out?
4) The Holocaust - Daas Hedyot said "We have to get out of here before they kill us all!" Daat Torah said "No, we stay put and say tehillim and accept what happens. Also, here's our new American address if you want to send us mail. Bye." How did that work out?
Perhaps these new Modern Chareidim(tm) have figured this out.
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ReplyDeleteYou must be pretty new to this blog because I do not hate any "yidden with a sick distorted passion."
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FYI just last week the Mishtara removed a Palestinian flag that was painted on the wall in front of the Satmar Shul in Meah Shearim! I'll have you know that that flag was there for over a month!
@anonymous - Satmar are a shameful bunch of deniers. A Zionist saved their 'fearless Rebbe', who showed his gratitude by denying the rescue. He also left his chassidim in Europe to die. Yet you think these parasites living off the state whilst critisizing it are on the side of right????????? You attacking DiN for shining a light on your sick behaviour shows your total lack of intellectual or any other form of honesty. A true shtick fleish mit zwei oigen.
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