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I’ve said it before and it bears repeating. Useless davening to dead people to act as intercessors to Hashem is a non-Jewish ritual. This is what happens when Am Ha’aratzim take on the the mantle of orthodox leadership. They’re as bad as Reform.
Many more Zionist Israeli students visit Poland on what they have termed the "March of the Living"
3:09Zionists Israeli students dont go to graves to daven to the dead
You misunderstand the whole thing. They Daven to Hashem at the gravesite, in the hope that the merit of the Tzaddik will help their prayers to be accepted. Nothing wrong with that religiously, but really the merit could be invoked just the same from anywhere.
Idiot and ליידיגע שטריקYou're so out of it and probably never davend to begin with, NO ONE DAVENS TO THE DEATH!
Abe, have a looksee at Sotah 34b regarding Calev asking the avos to intercede on his behalf.
Anonymous 4:43 PM, I misunderstand nothing. If they invoke the Tzadik at the gravesite, it means that the gravesite acts as a conduit to Hashem, akin to placing yourself in front of a cross and supplicating to Jesus. Why else would someone schlep to Poland to evoke the merit of a Tzadik if the same result can be obtained by invoking his merit in the comfort of your home or shule? The manifestation of this mishugaas is prominent in many cults that comprise the various sects of chareidism. The Na Nach meshuganers, the Lubavitcher meshichists etc. etc., are examples of this craziness. If it looks like a duck, quacks like duck ...
Drashos Haran (Rabbeinu Nissim Gaon) Drush 8ולא בחייהם בלבד כי גם אחרי מותם מקומות קברותיהן ראויין להמצע השפע שם בצד מן הצדדים. כי עצמותיהם אשר כבר היו כלים לחול עליהם השפע האלהי. עדיין נשאר בהם מן המעלה והכבוד שיספיק לכיוצא בזה. ומפני זה אמרו רז"ל (סוטה לד) שראוי להשתטח על קברי הצדיקים ולהתפלל שם. כי התפלה במקום ההוא תהיה רצויה יותר. להמצא שם גופות אשר חל עליהם כבר השפע האלהי.
Zionist students DO visit the Graves of zadikkim in Poland to pray, fool. You can see it on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gvn8DfJR3c
You idiots are ignoring all the times that it is mentioned in halacha regarding minhagim about going to cemeteries to daven.They are amaratzim?? The only amaratz is abe
Of course most ravs say it's ok to pray at graves, some don't, and Calev DID pray at mearat hamakpeila. The issue here isn't that, it's praying at graves in anti-Semitic countries and pouring dollars to support their economy . In that case stay home or pray at graves in the holy land. The greatest death camps were in Poland and even Rabbi Meilichk would rather you learn and give charity wherever you are. that's the issue now
Idiot 11:02 AM, Yeah, when it comes to davening to an intercessor, they ARE am ha’aratzim. This is the primary theological issue that separates Judaism from Xtianity. So go ahead, daven at your long dead zaidy’s grave on his yahrzeit. I hope his spirit finds peace from its torment as you daven for his neshama to finally have an Aliya.
Not Abe, he doesn't say it's ok and he hasn't responded to the source I quoted.
BigFatGetchka 4:01 PM,Your source is wrong.
I think we have confirmed that abe is a little closed off to sanity. If we provide proof and you say it is wrong, just rejecting it immediately, casting it off like it was nothing,then there is nobody home to talk to bud.
AbeYou are correct that "after life" is not directly written in the written Torah but it is discussed at length in Mesactas Sanhedrin and in other places in the Talmud. It is of course mentioned in an indirect way and that is also discussed in the same Mesacteh. The Gemarrah also discusses why the Torah didn't write it directly.The same Rambam that discusses the reason for Karbonos that Harav Kook z"l so beautifully explained, writes that there is an "after life" and that is one of the basic tenets of Judaism. The fact that the Egyptians also believed in the "after life" doesn't negate the fact that "after life" is a basic fundamental belief in Judaism. There are many mitzvois not written directly in the Torah and all mitzvois in the Torah need further info, and that's why Jews believe that the "Oral Torah" was transmitted to the Jews at Sinai at the same time as the written laws .For example... take the Mitzvah of Tefillen, written explicitly in the written Torah .. from the written Torah itself, I do not know the shape of the tefillen, I don't know the color or how many compartments, and what verses to put into those compartments,I need the oral Torah to give me that information ...Even circumcision which is written explicitly in the Torah, doesn't say which part of the body should be circumcised.... in fact it actually say "umol Le'Vavacha" which means to "circumcise your heart" and we know thats impossible... the oral Torah is like the instructions and both go hand in hand ..as far as praying to the dead is concerned ... that is actually a discussion also in Mesectas Sanhedrin and some actually have no problem with praying to the dead.... but most Rabbis are of the opinion that one should pray to G-D in the merit of that particular deceased person and that praying to the dead is blaspheme ...The Kabbalists believe that every year at the yurzeit the soul goes to a higher place, so it is customary by chassidim and Sfardim to celebrate that elevation ..... and thats why they say that the "neshama should be olaeh yafeh"Now you can argue all day until the cows come home that you think it is ridiculous ... but the fact is that millions of Jews believe in that and I find no harm in that belief and it gives the family of the deceased comfort to go to thei graves of their family or their rabbis and pray ...What I am against is going to Poland
The Talmud, Gaonim & Rishonim are wrong?...on Judaism?Hmmm....
Dear AbeHaven't you had enough of these crazed fanatics? These so called human beings are more ignorant than monkeys. They still believe the world is flat.
who's more ignorant/ the one who believes humans come from gorillas , or those who believe the world is flat?
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