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Sunday, March 12, 2017

Satmar couple’s kinky open marriage

James tucked his side curls behind his ears and tore off his yarmulke as he left the hotel.
Waiting for him in the parking lot in her car was a sultry brunette stranger, and they were both eager for their first date at an Italian restaurant in Omaha, Neb.
They hit it off. After the meal, they stopped at a golf course and had sex behind a hedge.
“She told me to grab a stick and kept asking me to hit her harder,” the married father recalled about the tryst that unfolded during a business trip last May. “Then she sent a photo of her black-and-blue bruises a few days later.”
It was just another night in James’ double life.
By day, he and his wife, Monica, are Hasidic Jews living in the heart of Williamsburg. But by night, the attractive 30-somethings pursue kinky sex as a swinging couple on the online dating app Tinder.
In a series of interviews granted to The Post over the last month, both revealed their secret pastime on the condition that their names and certain identifying details be changed to prevent expulsion from their religious community.
“We look the part, but don’t follow any of the rules,” Monica said of her strict Orthodox faith, as the couple dined with a reporter at a decidedly unkosher Thai restaurant.
At night, the couple regularly shed the black overcoats and floor-length skirts required by their religion, and appear like an attractive, well-off couple in trendy clothes. In his first meeting with The Post, James wore jeans and a green T-shirt, while Monica donned an orange top with dainty shoulder cut-outs, her golden-brown hair pinned in a messy bun. Her wig, which Orthodox women are required to wear in a nod to modesty, was left in the car.
When it comes to monogamy, James and Monica don’t play by the rules. Since 2014, the couple has used Tinder to swing using both separate profiles and one joint one. Each of them searches the app for individual rendezvous, or sometimes they “swipe right” together when they’ve located an attractive woman for a ménage-à-trois. They look for lovers aged 25 to 40 for “casual fun” and “emotional connections.”
Although they proclaim themselves “Hasidic” at the top of their dating profiles, the accompanying photos are anything but straightlaced. Monica’s ample bust is hugged by a shapely black bra, but her eyes are obscured by a bar. James, cropped at the neck, shows off his toned torso and upper arms.
“Looking for multicultural experience. Due to our situation, we don’t have the liberty to expose ourselves on here,” their joint profile explains.
In short bios underneath, James touts his “role play” abilities, while Monica says she “loves to laugh.”
“Please don’t be shy, say hi,” it beckons.
James describes himself as 100 percent straight, but Monica is bisexual. “She’s more like 70 percent into men, 30 into women,” he said, as Monica grinned and nodded.
The couple have a brood of children between the ages of 3 and 18. They, like all families of the Satmar sect, observe the Sabbath, go to temple every week, and speak only in Yiddish in the house or when around other members of the ultra-Orthodox community.
Naturally, they are cautious about how they woo potential conquests.
Once a hot single shows interest in them, creating a “match,” they typically make a move.
“Hi Beautiful” they usually message first. After a little back-and-forth banter, they share their phone number. They each have their own cellphones, but use a shared third phone when communicating as a couple with potential partners.
“First we like to meet at a public place and have dinner. At least if we don’t hit it off with them, we got to enjoy a nice meal,” James joked.
While waiting for a date to show up a few weeks ago, the pair sat on bar stools at a trendy Williamsburg restaurant, facing each other, their knees almost touching as they talked casually and laughed.
When the woman arrived, James placed his hand on Monica’s lower back as they stood to greet her.
If all goes well on a date, they decide together how to proceed.
“Sometimes we’re both interested in someone, or sometimes just one of us is,” Monica said.
Their extramarital dalliances first began about 10 years ago, after James started flirting with a non-Jewish waitress who worked at a restaurant where he did business. After several weeks of instant-messaging with her, James was wracked with guilt. He confessed to Monica, hoping she wouldn’t be heartbroken.
Her reaction shocked him.
“I was excited by it,” Monica said. “It turned me on to know another woman desired my husband.”
As they talked about it, they realized they both craved sexual and emotional relationships outside their marriage.
They started slowly, getting “happy-ending” massages together, attending fetish parties and flirting.
Four years later, James had his first affair — with his married, Hasidic assistant.
“She’s very seductive and fit. One day I came over to fix something at her place. She immediately grabbed me and took me to her bedroom,” James said.
Afterwards James and Monica tried a threesome with the other woman.
“She came over for a sleepover, but wasn’t ready,” James recalled. “[Monica] and I were kissing and she felt like a third wheel.
She went downstairs and slept on the couch. We were pretty disappointed.”
It was almost as disappointing as the way they first met — through a family matchmaker, just weeks before their arranged marriage. He was 20 and she was 18, both virgins, and they met just once before the nuptials.
“Though we love each other, we didn’t have that butterflies-in-your-stomach love,” said James.
But the strangers did develop chemistry in bed.
“We are very lucky. We’re actually quite attracted to each other,” Monica said.
They found that open marriage suits them better than their culture’s strict monogamy.
“We don’t have jealousy,” Monica said. “We never got to date people, so that made it easier for us.”
They even encourage love affairs with others.
“It’s been so beautiful to watch [Monica] fall in love with someone else,” James said.
Monica needs emotional connections with others before getting physical.
“She’s all about talking and vibing well with someone,” James said.
James has a taste for S&M and for the uninhibited random encounters that can come from sex outside the marriage. “If I’m with a woman and we want to have sex in the park, we can,” he said.
But with a double life comes the cost — keeping secrets from family, friends and synagogue, sheltering their children from their hidden truths, and taking many precautions.
“We don’t want to take any chances,” Monica said.
They keep their modern clothes hidden from their children and have no social media beyond their Tinder accounts. They tell everyone that their forbidden cellphones are for work purposes. They use condoms — illicit among Hasidim — religiously.
Their kids attend yeshiva. Monica keeps kosher, and they pray and sing the Torah before meals.
“No one can tell we’re different. We look traditional. We blend in,” Monica said.
After all, the consequences of getting caught would be dire.
“What they’re doing involves breaking a host of serious taboos.,” said Hella Winston, author of “Unchosen: The Hidden Lives of Hasidic Rebels.”
Adultery is illegal under Jewish law, and offenders are punished with banishment from the community. Husbands and wives are not even allowed to touch each other during a woman’s menstruation. The sexes are kept separate in the synagogue, at weddings and on buses.
Monica and James are outwardly religious, but no longer believe in their faith.
“Questioning God was a very difficult process for me,” said James, who began having doubts as a young man reading Skeptic magazine and “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins. “Religion has a strong hold on your thoughts and the way you think.”
The couple chooses to remain part of the insular community because “we don’t want to lose our family,” Monica said. “We would be shunned forever.”
But they are willing to risk all to share their story.
“We want to inspire other Hasidic couples who also have doubts about God and their marriage,” said James. “We hope to lead by example. By speaking out and breaking the taboo, we hope other Hasidic couples will do the same and feel less alone.”

50 comments:

just a yid said...

this is not typical and will not have a nappy ending. Lifestyles such as this even in non religious households do not have any hope of continuance.

Abe said...

They stopped at a golf course and had sex behind a hedge. Really? Then he agreeably beat her black and blue with a stick. Really?

Do you believe this story? I'm very skeptical.
Not that I don't wish that the entire Israel-hating Satmar cult all begin coveting their neighbor's spouses. I hear that they require a minyan for group sex; a ménage a trois just won't do and those shtreimels make great sex toys.
They all should go off derech this way.

AishKodesh said...

DIN, please take this down. It can, Chas V'Chalillah, cause others to question Hashem and their marriage....

AishKodesh said...

Abe; you WANT other Jews to sin? That is mamash rishus and besides, denying a concept in Yiddishkeit! Enough of this shtus!

Anonymous said...

I don't go much for him, but I admit she's gantz hot.

Anonymous said...

But one thing is sure these Satmars never ever were caught
visiting the prohibited KOSEL, well" no one is perfect.

We really should not be surprised at all by these stories,after all these kids grew up in an insane asylum called " the SATMAR MOISDOS" were Torah and Midos and mentchlichkeit were not stressed at all,and the only things stressed were anti Israel and anti other Jew hatred,these are
fruits of Reb. Joel Teitelbaum's insane chinuch

jancsibacsi said...

11:47 AM---You hit the nail on its head right you are

Anonymous said...

These sort of people are just exchanging one type of 'hell-hole' life for another. They will eventually get bored with that wanton existence as well - and be found out. Why exchange one silly extreme for another? They just don't seem to be able to get a balance in their lives - kinda sad really.

jancsibacsi said...

4:43 PM--You have a very good point but many satmerers the newer generation is very open minded and dont buy into the hate and anger that the older satmerer generation exhibits so there is hope for the future generation

Abe said...

AishKodesh 2:24PM

You would be right if Satmar were considered Yidden but they are not. Satmar and their like minded Neturei Karta knuckle-draggers are not Yidden. Just because you share some mitzvos and rituals does not make them Yidden. Those that profess such hatred for Israel can't possibly be Yidden. That news story should be delivered to every Satmar home and they should encouraged to join the wife swappers. But I doubt any normal man would want to engage in sexual activities with those bald headed machashefas .
Any diversion from their Israel hatred would be a blessing for all real Yidden.

Anonymous said...

This is clearly false and DIN you are a Choteh Umachti for posting such picture online. What is the heter to post Pritzus for other to see?

Anonymous said...

NY Post is so desperate for a story. I don't believe a word of this hogwash.

Harry said...

This story is so blatantly impossible to be true for so many reasons. You are promoting sin by posting it. If that isn't what you want to do, than you shouldn't post such things and you should taker this down.

Anonymous said...

If the New York Post published it it must be true right? While it is certainly plausible and some of the facts could be true. We do not know which facts are true and which facts have been changed to hide the identities of the people involved. What is more intriguing is the relationship of this kind of story to the whole fake news issue. As discerning observers will know, the fake news issue is not only about made up stories but also about how the main stream media and the internet search engines put an emphasis on certain types of stories and suppress other types of stories in order to create a certain narrative and impression in peoples minds. The question should be asked what deeper underlying motivation and agenda is underlying this story. Similarly with the Transgender issue. The MSM has been planting stories about transgenderism and it becomes clear that this is being done to normalize it and make it acceptable and make anyone opposed to it as being fascistic and bullying.This has already happened with Gay Pride and Gay Marriage. I would suspect that there is now a deliberate organized attempt to undermine traditional family values in one of the last bastions of family values, namely Orthodox Judaism and in particular Ultra Orthodox Hasidism.

Shrink said...

A few points: if they continue its very easy to out them with not much resources

Also there are plenty of religious Jews living a double life, eishes ish is a new low however plenty men frequent message parlors and hookers ,
plenty
Not the first otd family to live a double life to stay in community
Also it seems they are physically a match but don't fulfill each other emotional needs , that's usually a reason for divorce.

AishKodesh said...

Abe, if they are descended from Yidden - then they are Yidden. Are you a Jew? If they aren't then you aren't either, Chas V'Shalom!

Anonymous said...

Say Thank you to Totpi.com for this report.
Yes the satmar Muslims have extramarital sex

Chafraud-Depravitch said...

Once, in a moment of weakness, I listened to non-Jewish music.

Anonymous said...

This is dirty Purim Joke. Don't you get it? passed nischt, but after al this is the treifine internet.

Abe said...

AisKodesh 11:21 AM,

To paraphrase the Haggadah shel Pesach:
Satmar omer, Mah Haaretz Hakedosha lachem. Lachem v'lo lo. U'lifi shehozi oso min haklal, KOFER BI'IKAR.
Because of their despisement of Israel, you may consider them as biological Yidden, but they are not part of Klal Yisroel. The Karites have more of a spiritual connection to Eretz Yisroel than Satmar.
Satmar should convert to Evangelical Xtianity. They have a lot more love for Eretz Hakedosha than Satmar.

Anonymous said...

A joke, a Purim shpiel? Then some people are very sick indeed.

AishKodesh said...

No chance in changing your mind anyway, Abe, so no point in debating.....

Anonymous said...

Aish Kodesh you are a FRAUD stop posting on a Jewish site.
No one will debate with you anyways
Take your fake agenda back to your missionary propaganda headquarters
Take your missionary propaganda to your own kind. Don't try to erase your way onto a Jewish site

Anonymous said...

dearest Chafraud-Depravitch Thank you for the much needed laugh

Aish kodesh i am sensing you are from these peace and lover people breaslov too perhaps

continue with ur comments u are more than right

sadly this is not a purim joke

may all couples and couples to be

find real LOVE and Happiness and joy

but u have to 'chap' that since us chassidshe people didnt get love or know what love is it will take time, it was so wrong for so long on so many different levels that u have to be less judgemental etc and know that every broken soul heals at their own pace......



get help....

talk to a friend therapist etc


i say i dont know what LOVE is

i wasnt taught

but theres hope

how many people are living???????

enough with just existing


peace and love

a former broken hearted chick from bk

Anonymous said...

Chafraud-Depravitch thank you for the much needed laugh :-)

Aish kodesh - you sound like ur for Peace and love chassidim and a bit breslov, if i may add now......

continue with ur comments

people hate the truth but dont let it stop you

may these comments be a push for u to continue with ur holy work.......

AS A BY THE WAY PEOPLE HERE ONLINE ARE UNAWARE WHAT CHASSIDISH LIFE IS ALL ABOUT

ITS ASTONISHING



U EXPECT SOMEONE TO KNOW WHAT LOVE AND HAPPINESS IS WHEN ALL THEY GOT IS HELL FROM THE TEACHERS RABBEIM MOTHER FATHER NEIGHBOR 50 PEOPLE

THEY GROW UP SEGREGATED AND TAUGHT TZNUIS TZNUIS TZNUIS
NO ONE TAUGHT THEM OTHERWISE
SO FOR 18 YEARS U ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO THE OPPOSITE GENDER MAYBE YOUR SIBLINGS (THE BOYS ARENT HOME MUCH BECAUSE OF YESHIVA ETC) NO COUSINS NO NOTHING
THEN U BECOME OF AGE

ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE PUT INTO A ROOM FOR A SO CALLED "SIT iN' BEESHA

THEN U GO TO KALLAH AND CHOSSON LESSONS

SO YOU GET MORE BRAINWASHED AND CONFUSED

ALL IN THE NAME OF TORAH AND YIDDISHKITE


AND THEN U GET MARRIED

HAVE SEX THE FIRST NIGHT

WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT LOVE IS OR SEX IS OR THE OTHER GENDER OR WHATS IN BETWEEN THE RAGLAYIM

AND U EXPECT THEM NOT TO CHEAT BE HAPPY AFTER NOT BEING EDUCATED???????


I DONT BLAME ANY OF THESE BROKEN HEARTED SOULS

ITS BEEN SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK FOR TOO LONG
ON SO MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS

JUS KNOW GO FR HELP
TALK TO A THERAPIST
PICK UP YOUR PHONE
CALL A LOVED ONE
HELP YOUR BROTHER
ASK YOUR SISTER HOW SHE IS??

LETS CHANGE THIS CYCLE ASAPP

EVERYONE HEALS AT THEIR OWN PACE

MAY HASHEM HELP US ALL


SO PLEASE KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO URSELF



Anonymous said...

I don't get you taynah. They have been living for 18 years without knowing anything about the opposite sex, so a hooker can help them????
Doesn't make sense to me sorry.

AishKodesh said...

4:14/4:28 AM:

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Thank you for your kind words. I am trying to prmote more peace on here and hopefully, Be"H, less strife and Lashon Hara. As of now, I am not Chassidishe -- but I honeslty plan pn becoming so....

Again, your words are so much appreciated!

P.S. Absolutely correct and right on: We should not be judgmental -- each pefrson has gone through things that hurt them likely and we all need to heal. May Hashem heal us all very, very swiftly, Amein Vi'Amein!!!

Anonymous said...

Now aish Kodesh is pretending to be a ba'al teshuva.
It's all Fake he's a born again Christian looking to lure Jewish people into a missionary trap

Chafraud-Depravitch said...

Anonymous March 15, 2017 at 4:28 AM

You're welcome for the laugh. Thank you for the chassidish life reality check.

Anonymous March 15, 2017 at 10:19 AM

"Now aish Kodesh is pretending to be a ba'al teshuva."

All baalei teshuva are 'pretending' to be "baalei teshuva" too.
It ultimately becomes just another silly label that Jews on that particular path shed when they grow up.

"It's all Fake he's a born again Christian looking to lure Jewish people into a missionary trap"

Hahaha, Really? A Christian missionary linking to a site with Torah parsha insights? It's a nice site. And hardly the kind of site a Christian missionary would maintain.

AishKodesh said...

No, I am not a Baal Teshuva.... I wish I did Teshuva more though :)

xtian -- Baruch Hashem, I am not. Just a stam Yid.

Abe said...

AishKodesh 9:02AM,

Which chasidishe cult do you plan on joining? The one that I which the men abandon their families and wander to Uman on the Yomim Noraim? Or the one that shaves their married women bald? Or the one that refuses to permit women to drive? Or the one that encourages men to to stop their vehicle in the middle of a busy road and begin jumping up and down singing ,screaming and yelling like drugged out zombies? Or maybe the cult with their 100(?) takanos that imposes insane sexual rules on their members ?
Joining a chasidishe cult is a bad idea. You'll probably wind up like these unfortunate folks.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/gordon-haber/2015/07/the-10-most-bizarre-apocalyptic-scenarios-as-prophesied-by-religious-groups/

chusid101 said...

Shame on u Dusiznies for posting and feeding garbage for frum jews. whats wrong with you?

Anonymous said...

@aish kodesh ignore the rest! U are more than welcome! Thanx for ur kind words about healing! I'd love to get to know u and hear ur story if u want to share it with me etc CHAZAK achee

Anonymous said...

chusid101 @ dusiznies is promoting awareness, we are not in the 1990s

i have mixed feelings about this post but awareness always helps its needed etc

AishKodesh said...

Chafraud-Depravitch 1:13 PM
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Thanks for your kind words about my blog :)

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Abe 3:10 PM
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I am not planning on joining any cult, thank you. There's no Chassidishe cult I know of. Just a nice sect such as Bobov, etc. I don't know yet, though.

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5:17 PM
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I don't really have such a..... well..... I sort of do. If you click on my ID it will take you to my blog -- we can talk there. Chazak to you as well!!

Kol Tuv all!!

Anonymous said...

It's called awareness

Ben Torah said...

All of the good you have done on this blog will be suspect as not leShem Shomayim if you don't take this horrible post. The article does nothing except serve the purposes of these bottom barrel baalei tayva to sic the Yetzer Horah on others. You are not exposing a scandal here. It is just pure maysis umaydiach. And even worse is the picture with her breasts showing. Are you trying to assist them to be machshil those with weak yirah?

AishKodesh said...

Agreed, Ben Torah!

ML said...

Very enlightening. Thank you

Chafraud-Depravitch said...

Ben Torah 12:30 PM,

Really? DIN should take the post down? And if they don't, the entire content of the blog is suspect as not leShem Shomayim? Nonsense.

"And even worse is the picture with her breasts showing."

Agreed! I think every fine, upstanding ben Torah should voice their loudest complaints about that picture and express their utter disgust with such a display! (immediately after appreciating it)

Anyway, cute bra, isn't it? Chasidic black.

AishKodesh said...

5:17 PM
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Um, well, my "story" isn't THAT extraordinary really -- probably nowhere near some of the people you'll meet. But nevertheless, if you would like, I can tell it to you on my blog (achsameac.blogspot.com) and we can talk there.

Chazak!!

Abe said...

You no of know of no chasidishe cult? Really? How about Breslov, Satmar , Sqver, Ger, etc. I mentioned a few of their cult meshugaas. But you probably are unaware of them because your don't consider their actions crazy or you just don't care.

AishKodesh said...

There is no such thing as a Chassidishe cult. If you want a cult (C"V), go to Arizona or something.....

I know there are scandals sometimes in those Communities -- but just because there a handful of people who aren't good does not reflect on a Community......

Anonymous said...

Aish Kodesh
You're either very naive, or just plain stupid.
Satmar Sqvere Gur are all fanatic so called Chasidim ruled and lead by even greater fanatic gurus.
If you were not raised in an original chasidic home no matter what you wear no matter what you try you'll never be a real Chosid. Almost all BT'S who put on hasidic clothing are making a mockery out of the true chasidim as well as a mockery out of themselves
You either are born with it or you're an outsider.
And yes there are loads of chassidishe individuals who are off the Derech who do not do justice to the original way of chasidic life with their style.

AishKodesh said...

12:04 PM
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You can't say that for all of them. But yeah, I do agree that some of the people today are really not doing justice to what Chassidus -- or Judaism in general -- is supposed to be.

And about not being an insider or a real Chosid if you weren't born that way -- I desire to try to be a REAL Chosid -- a pious person..... Everyone can become a Chosid, that is, a pious person, Be"H.

Chafraud-Depravitch said...

AishKodesh,

You're welcome regarding the comment about your blog. I like your citations and the layout is clean. It's a good learning blog. In this week's parsha you cite comments by the Kotzker Rebbe, and the first Gerrer Rebbe, Rebbe Yitzchok Meir Alter. And though they may offer a kernel of wisdom; in light of this thread topic it's hard to ignore they're the fathers of the Gur hasidim (sometimes spelled Ger), one of the most sexually repressive hasidic sects. I don't know how they compare to Satmar, but Gur have been criticized for their extreme stance by other haredim as well.

"And about not being an insider or a real Chosid if you weren't born that way -- I desire to try to be a REAL Chosid -- a pious person..... Everyone can become a Chosid, that is, a pious person, Be"H. "


I don't know your history, but if you don't have hasidic pedigree, it's a significant handicap, if not a barrier, to full social acceptance in those communities.

Also what does "desire to try to be a REAL Chosid" mean?
Why desire to try? Just try. But why try to be? Just be it, even if 'in-progress.' What exactly is a "real" chosid? Who decides if you're "real" or not? Is the condition permanent if you finally become a real chosid? Or can you, at some later time, become an unreal chosid? Is every "chosid" pious? Is every pious person a "chosid?"

Anonymous said...

Yes what this couple is doing is disgusting and against HALACHA,but what their so called Rebbe that criminal gangster KAPO bastard Aron Teitel-bum did was a thousand times worse.
When the prime minister of Israel was here last year pleading and begging congress to oppose Obama's murderous nuclear deal that would enable Iran to eventually acquire nuclear weapons and fulfill their dream of wiping out Israel and it's six and a half miilion Jews,this piece of filth instructed his mayor of Kiryas Joel to write letters to all the N.y congressmen and senators to ignore Israel and support Obama's murderous deal with the devil.
Now you tell me,which is the bigger sin?

AishKodesh said...

Chafraud-Depravitch 4:48 AM:
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You are certainly correct. It can be very hard to become somebody in the "in-crowd" -- sometimes it seems nearly impossible.

However, to answer your questions about my comment: (One preliminary note: When I say Chosid, I do not mean someone part of a Chassidishe sect -- I mean any pious person, whether they wear a Bekishe or a yellow shirt):

1) "Why desire to try?"
Every person should at least desire to become righteous. And that helps us become one.

2) "But why try to be?"
Everyone should try to become a Tzaddik -- and a Chosid as well.

3) "What exactly is a "real" chosid? Who decides if you're "real" or not?"
Being a real Chosid means being a real pious person -- not just someone, for example, who wears a black hat or Streimel and actually likes to treat others badly and go to bars, etc. And who decides? HaKadosh Baruch Hu -- just like all other areas of our life!

4) "Is the condition permanent if you finally become a real chosid? Or can you, at some later time, become an unreal chosid?"
Well, a person can rise or, C"V, descend at any time. It's all up to us.

5) "Is every "chosid" pious? Is every pious person a "chosid?""
If you are talking about 'Chosid' in terms of a Chassidishe person, then no. Unfortunately, there are, as you know, some not-so-great people who still bear the title 'Chosid'! And is every pious person a Chosid? -- yes. That is what a Chosid is -- not someone who only "dresses the part".

Kol Tuv!

Chafraud-Depravitch said...

AishKodesh,

Thank you for the replies.
I think striving to be a more pious, honest, loving person is a great thing. But the labels can be confusing, distracting, and lend themselves to phoniness and elitism.

"It can be very hard to become somebody in the "in-crowd""

It's just the "in-crowd" part that's hard (it's an invention by men).
The being somebody part is easy (it's a blessing from God).

"If you are talking about 'Chosid' in terms of a Chassidishe person, then no. Unfortunately, there are, as you know, some not-so-great people who still bear the title 'Chosid'! And is every pious person a Chosid? -- yes. That is what a Chosid is -- not someone who only "dresses the part". "

This is why I don't buy into all the labels anymore (even if hard to avoid them). Some religious Jews play the part deceptively. That the name Chassidim implies their adherents are pious (chosid in the general sense) strikes me as somewhat silly and too often very misleading. I used to see them as their name implied. Now I see a picture that's probably closer to reality, one that looks more like the "in-crowd" you describe above.

AishKodesh said...

Well, some. But others are really chassidim!