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Monday, December 8, 2014

When The Minchas Eluzer relied on a goy's advice, putting the lives of millions of Jews in Jeopardy!

Minchas Eluzer

In an article in last week's edition of Der Yid, the writer B.Taub, under the by-line "The History of Arab Pogroms," places  the blame of all Arab massacres on the Zionists. 
Taub even blames the infamous Chevron Massacre in 1929 on the Zionists.

I am not going to comment on this idiotic crazy theory of B. Taub at this time, but I will comment on a letter, Taub quotes, from the Sefer Tikkun Olam (siman 95) written by the Munkatcher Rebbe, known as the Minchas Eluzer, in reference to the Chevron Pogrom.

The Munkatcher Rebbe wrote that when the Chevron Massacre took place he was in Marinbard (on vacation) with other Rabbonim and there he  saw members of The Aguda, members of Mizrachi, members of the Zionist party  and the Gerrer Rebbe.

He writes that he came up with a "great idea" that would stop all Arab pogroms in Palestine. 

If all the Zionists, and Agudaists would go to Prague, whose government at the time was the go between England and the Jews, and state unequivocally that they are ready to have the Balfour Declaration declared null and void and declare further, that they have no claims on Palestine, all pogroms and attacks by Arabs against Jews would stop!

When he presented this "idea"to the Gerrer Rebbe, the Gerrer Rebbe answered him, that the Agudah is only playing a small role in all this, and if the Agudah would give up their claims, it would make no impact... ....
to that the Muncatcher said ...
"you just give up your part and let the blame of all murderous attacks of Arabs on Jews be on the stubborn  heretics, haughty Zionists and Mizrachists"

Taub in this "historic" essay writes that the Munkatcher Rebbe then said in a "fiery speech on Hoshana Rabba" (the speech is printed in his book Shaar Yissoschor, Maamor Yesha Rav, Ois 78)
referencing the Chevron Pogroms, that these attacks was promulgated by the "cursed Zionists" 
and anyone that plays any part in recognizing and accepting the Balfour Declaration is from the "Sitra Achra (the devil) even if they plan to do it within the "Torah Spirit," like the Mizrachists and the Agudaists, ..... it is sheker and kfirah".

But what blows my mind is the following  story that B.Taum writes about the late Munkatcher Rebbe. Keep in mind that Taub is writing the story to show the "gadlus" of the Munkatcher.

I will loosely translate:

"when the Munkatcher Rav z"l was on a visit to Eretz Yisroel a year later in Chodash Iyur in 1930, he met with the Consul of Czechoslovakia , Dr. Pritz in Yerushalayim.

Dr. Pritz told the Rebbe, that the Rebbe should convey to the Jews residing in Chutz L'aaretz, that Jews should be prohibited from  immigrating  to Palestine, because if they do, it will cause the shedding of  more Jewish blood. Israel is a powder keg that will  ignite should there be mass immigration.

Dr. Pritz added that there are 300 million Arabs in the entire world and there are only 200,000 Jews now in Palestine. England's interest are with the 300 million Arabs rather than the 200,000 Jews , and how are 13 million Jews that are now living in the diaspora going to possibly fit into this small piece of land? I'ts like  placing an entire nation in a table drawer. 

When the Munkatcher returned to Europe, he repeated  Dr. Pritz's warning, and continued to refer to it, in his "fiery speeches"  adding that Jews should not listen to 'Zionist Aliyah propaganda"

The Rebbe referred to Dr. Pritz in his speeches as a  
'sar ha'yediah ish chesed v'chochom' 
"the known prince, a man of kindness and wisdom'"

The article continues praising the wisdom of both the Munkatcher and Dr, Pritz.

DIN: So now we have the Tzaddik Hador taking advice from a goy, that advises the Rebbe that  Jews of Europe should stay put....
and Der Yid finds this commendable?

How low have we sunk? How stupid and bizzare is this entire story?

 How does a Rebbe of thousands call anyone who opposes his SHIT"ah ... a Koifer?
Calling the Gerrer Rebbe, the "Imrei Emes" a Koifer?

Instead of telling this cursed goy to "go to hell" the Rebbe repeats this brilliant "advice" to hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews!

So now my dear readers, in hindsight, who was right? The Munkatcher and his goy?
Or the Agudists, Mizrachists , Zionists and the Gerrer Rebbe?

If the Rebbe instead of taking advice of the cursed goy that "Jews should not immigrate," would have told the Jews to leave Europe, ....how many thousands and perhaps millions of Jews would have left Europe and gone to Palestine and would have been saved?

How many millions of Jews lost their lives listening to advice from 
"THE REBBE AND THE GOY" 
How many?




22 comments:

Anonymous said...

DIN-Kishemoi Kein Hu-Opposite of rachmim/FERD/tzig
HOW LOW HAVE "YOU" SUNK? It's YOU who sunk to the lowest level possible, to the same level the same low level as the shatz, herzl and all other subhuman anti-semites ym"s
And since you're entire writing is as usual just a throw up of hate and ignorance with a full dosage of stupidity it's absolutely irrelevant to debate you, it's not only the Minchas Elozor and Reb Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld and most of the gedolim in that generation who said the same, but one of the few talmidim of the yeshiva in chevron Reb Baruch Kaplan zatzal who survived the massacre wrote a first hand account of this tragedy and blames it fully on Zionism and the Zionist ideology
But again you're not looking for the truth, you are looking for the closest spot in hell the closer the better to where you will never ever be able to get out
OMEIN KEIN YEHI ROTZOHN

Anonymous said...

the minchas elozor not only called other gedolim disgusting names,but literally cursed them with the most disgusting curses that even a non jew would never use.
it is well known that he even cursed his anti zionist jew hating colleague the satmarrer rebbe ,(they had a turf war over a small village near munkatch).
but Hakodesh Baruch Hu,punished this guy mida kneged mida,his one and only son in law harav Burechel,saw the light and became a HEISER ZIONIST after the war.
CHAIM.S

Anonymous said...

But burechel choloners two sons, were machzir atara leyoshno, the Great Munkatsh Rebbe, and the Great Dinov Rebbe, who BH are no less Heise ANTIZIONST than their Holy Zeide The Holy Minchas Elozor ZYE.

Anonymous said...

The ocher Yisroel BARUCH of cholon, was Nechmatz even before the war, as a matter of fact the Munkatch Rebbe the Kadosh Elyon didn't want the Shidduch, but the rebbetzin..... So stop being proud with Baruch'l of cholon (chelm?), his sons are extreme ANTIZIONSTS, he who laughs last............

Anonymous said...

shakran Kazvan!!!, see SHUT DIVREI YOEL with what honor they write to each other!, they might have had minor misunderstandings between them, however they settled things the way tora abiding Jews do, however you a secular scumbag, try to deride embarrass ehrliche yidden whenever you have a chance, true or false, right or wrong, SHAME on you, you're a cheap scoundrel, an embarrassment to Klal Yisroel and to your poor parents.

Anonymous said...

Instead of BARUCH radio commentator, dog owner, wife wearing pants, A goodReal SHANA UPEIRUSH, the Minchas Elozor was blessed by HKBH, with TWO count them TWO chashav son's, each a Rebbe in his own right, Talmidei Chachamim, Tzaddikim, and most important, Fierce ANTIZIONSTS, so actually your comments are stale, lame, stupid, but this is the case of all of your sick excuses of writing, lies, misquotes, out of context AdLib's....

Dusiznies said...

9:17
So let me understand....
You are saying that today's Munkatcher and Dinover Rebbes' mother wore pants, and their father had a dog?
Haaa Ha Ha nice yichus.....ha ha ha lol ha ha
I think Herzl is laughing his head off in his lichtigin gan-edan
ha ha .... can't stop laughing

Dusiznies said...

9:17
Yoi, I have such a stomachache from laughing...
Just chapped....
I can just see it....
the Minchas Elozer's daughter, the guy who took advice from a dumb goy,
in pants walking her dog....
Ha ha lol...
mother of the Munkatcher ha ha
Yoi, G-D really does have a sense of humor...

Anonymous said...

You're an illiterate uninformed blasphemous idiot, pouncing on any tidbits or morsels of information that might help you, without understanding what you read, Borechu'ls SECOND WIFE was the wearer of the PANTS and the OWNER of the DOG, and she was NOT the daughter of the Holy Tzaddik the Minchas Elozor, and this PERUTZA was not the mother of the Two great REBBES the REBBE of MUNKATCH and the REBBE of DINOV, both of them GEONIM VETZADIKIM and OUTSPOKEN ANTIZIONST leaders.

Anonymous said...

Wow! WOW!, this bloggers (and DERBY the FERD's) hot air balloon's wind dissipated FAST. Very FAST, pity pity, these two retards thought that they were on to something....... YICHUS...... Etc etc, you two are 2 overgrown MORONS and Empty Air Balloons, GO GEG Yourself A LIFE. NB, its refreshing to see that quite a number of people, modern people, (obviously the ultra orthodox, like satmar etc, don't surf the web, and wouldn't be interested in this blog even if they would), are hitting these two idiots right back where it hurts...... As an aside, don't we all see an interesting phenomenon on this blog, there are in general very few comments on any other blog reports, (owing to the fact of the inferior quality of this blog), however when these 2 'chevra' touch on the subject of ZIONISM (their favorite...) always bashing thrashing the ANTIZIONSTS and of course praising the SECULAR state and their cronies, there's an avalanche and a storm of criticism condemning those negative remarks of the abovementioned idiots, I'm happy to witness and be part of this enlightened and righteous TZIBBUR, KEIN YIRBU.

Anonymous said...

For real, it's amazing how ignorant and stupid a human being could be, to post comments without even doing a little research
NEBECH NEBECH ON SUCH PARENTS WHO PRODUCED SUCH DISGUSTING VERMIN

Dusiznies said...

12:42
One minute give me a chance to catch my breath...
So let me get this straight....
the step mother of today's Mukatcher Rebbe was walking her dog in pants....
ha haaa
BTW you fool, she, the second wife brought up these children...
And today's Munkatcher doesn't give 2 hoots about the Shitah, he only cares about his millions .....
and did i mention ...Potato kugel?
Oh I didn't?
Potato Kugel!
And REAL ESTATE!!!!!
He is a billionaire ....

Anonymous said...

So now everything's understood, "today's Minkatcher etc etc cares only about his millions, real estate he is a billionaire"
Observing the style of your posts and comments, the puzzle is completing by itself YOU ARE A GOOD FOR NOTHING HATEFUL CREATURE PRODUCED FROM THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE NAZIS AND KKK! CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW DISGUSTING IT'S THE STATUS OF YOUR PRODUCERS

Anonymous said...

SORE LOSER, RETARDED SORE LOSER, grasping at a straw, trying to save his sorry excuse of a two legged creature, NO! She didn't raise these TZADDIKIM, thankfully they were sent to yeshivot in chutz haaretz, ( TELSHE I believe), Zechus Avos was MAGIN and they are two great geonim vetzadikim.

Anonymous said...

Does that really bother you that they (the rebbes) are billionaires? So that's behind these ugly deranged stupid posts!!!, being that you are a uneducated hamburger flipper... subsisting and earning the minimum wage, you're envious of 'those chassidic Billionaires', well the cats out of the bag, we now heard it from you, its all about ENVY! GUILT! Etc.......HAKINAH VEHATAVAH VEHAKAVOD MOTZIIN ESS HAADAM MIIN HAOLAM, I heard 'taitch', 'motziin ESS HAADAM', these three ugly 'midos raos', take away the 'basics of humanity' out of those who are into those bad traits, its a very appropriate 'vort' in your situation, it answers a lot of questions......

Dusiznies said...

1:44
Actually it does bother me that he is a billionaire!
and you are almost accurate in your assessment of me ...
"an uneducated hamburger flipper... subsisting and earning the minimum wage"

Anonymous said...

Hey Seymour ,true authentic prowler;
I'm just curious when you learn Torah? And how come you don't have a hobby, like gardening or stamp collecting?
I'm amazed at your encyclopedic intimate knowledge of rebbes, ravs and rebbetzins. Where they were born,college they went to, when the kesubah was written,IF a ksubah was written, what they said to each other and about what and in which year,their shittas, their yichus from both parents, which ones you admire, which you curse with vile nivel pEE and hate..
Particularly, it's amazing what your LYNWP (Long Yenta Nunyeh with a Pimple) knows about rebbetzin's pants & panties, bras and other intimate apparel.
How about taking up the Irish tin whistle, play Auld Lang Syne and show off for your mother and/or Tante Delilah with the long skinny legs.... as I'm sure you long ago noticed...

Derby.... Oh... and take Ex-Lax for the pimple

Anonymous said...

The only reason it bothers people he is a millionaire because it stolen money from government programs,it is well known in the chareidim world ,that the munkacher is the worlds prime expert on how to milk government programs legally and not legally,
Plus all the chasidishe criminals who have been arrested for all kinds of criminally activities,he is he number one address to go to for all kinds of help how to beat the rap

Anonymous said...

In reply to 2:08, how are you referred to? Yes yes, Derby (the ferd), you really have a problem, and a Big one at that, at first you try to picture those that oppose your views, as uneducated uninformed peasants, as opposed to YOU YOU, a wise (guy...) Worldly... But when you are confronted with the facts that your opponents are quite learned, well educated well read highly informed highly intelligent and highly qualified professional people, you immediately change gears , and criticize them finding fault in the fact that they are so all knowing, and 'when do you learn'?'why are you on the web' etc etc, (but of course we're not allowed to ask those same questions of you....), ever played Chess? (probably not, way above your IQ level....), when one player is lleft without anywhere he can move his pieces, the Winner announces 'SHACH MAAT', well that's where you stand, SHACH MAAT' sorry fella, games over, you LOST, BIG TIME.

Anonymous said...

1) I only play Checkers.

"... your opponents are quite learned, well educated well read highly informed highly intelligent and highly qualified professional people,..."

Ok, ok, you already told us that you have a coupla degrees under your killeh belt and are highly educated.. Do you have the PHD ( piled higher & deeper) degree ??

"... 'when do you learn'?'why are you on the web' etc etc, (but of course we're not allowed to ask those same questions of you....)"

Ask... who's stopping you??
Whatza matter?? You feel guilty all of a sudden? Oh, Your 'reverend" told you it's permitted... Howz the 'bande' clergymen you're hanging out with & boozing some bittere troppen naaninaatzigger?

Anyway, forget all that.. You brought up rebbetzin's checkered pants 'n' gatches, and this is more interesting at the moment. I hate to admit it, but you're so educated and worldly that not only do you know rebbes/rebbetzins bios ,vertlah,writing, etc.. but also tidbits that no Art Scroll knows... intimate knowledge of rebbetzin pants, underpants and how they lived together w/o kesubas, et al...
I'm ashamed to ask you.... but.... d'ya have more little salacious meiselach..?? Hmmmm Mr.Shach Maat??

Derby..

Anonymous said...

What the heck... You only live once, so I'll come right out and invite myself over to you for Shabbos.
So for one Shabbos I'll leave my wife with the frumpy tznius dress and watch you stand up, Boruch Sheomar bachelor tzitzis and all,baggy pants & suspenders with soup bowl in hand asking mamma ... "More matzoh balls, Mom ".

I'll even bring over some non-mevushal Malaga with 6 hechsheirim for you to slurp.


Derby ( Using my high IQ in a chess game...taking 8 minutes deeply pondering my next move as the onlookers go ga-ga over my deep oncoming Shach Maat move with the reverend... uh... I mean bishop).....

May I ask what color ******** your mother wears??

"Nice" family said...

I think DIN is wasting his time bashing Satmar because Munkatch is the sickest chassidus out there.

Do you know how many congenital thieves, liars & molesters are in that group? And that extends to sick Frankel's shul in Flatbush that is full of watered down Americanized Munkatchers. Every other putz in that shul has either been convicted of a felony or been investigated & somehow managed to worm out of being indicted.

And look at the Rabinowich clan, besides the Zionist "mach shmoy" as Munkatchers alein call him.

The Rebbe who is the fixer with corrupt govt officials for all heimishe molesters and who was investigated for Pell grant fraud.

His brother the Dinover who is a convicted criminal.

His cousin Nosson Dovid, the "Partzever Rebbe" who grew up in Frankel's shul and was jailed for trying to have sex with a young girl.

The Rabinowich who became a Conservative rabbi & was shown on the front page of the NY Post driving to JFK hotels on Shabbos to be with zoynas.

Feh!