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Monday, December 29, 2014

The Jewish Daily Forward, a self-hating Jewish Publication


We read that “the Palestinians want to establish a state in East Jerusalem.” Well I want to play quarterback for the Green Bay Packers.

I have as much right to this as they have to that, but they keep on wanting. There never was a Palestinian state in East Jerusalem or West Jerusalem.
There never was a Palestinian state anywhere.  Period.
End of story. If only that were so.

Who were their kings? Who were their prophets throughout the Holy Land for some 3,800 years? 

We can name thousands. It’s in the books. Can they name one?

But they keep on wanting. They want and they want and they want and the news media keeps wanting it for them.
Like crybabies who want the other child’s shiny toy, they want what is not theirs, a thing that never belonged to them. So they go crying to Mommy, in the form of the European Union, or they throw a tantrum for help from their uncles at the United Nations.

Always, though, they can count on the news media to share their unfounded grievances, entitlements and justifications.
This then becomes a grand scheme that I have termed the Media Jihad at length hereon these pages.

At the moment we are dealing specifically with a Media Jihad taking place at the Jewish Daily Forward, a leftist newspaper that has been post-Zionist from even before there were Zionists. 

The website Israelly cool alerts us to what the coverage was like at The Forward attending to a particularly awful terrorist attack in Israel.

A gorgeous 11-year-old became the latest victim of Islamist savagery. Her name is Ayala Shapira. She was set on fire in the most cowardly act imaginable.
Ayala was riding in the car with her father when the Arabs pounced on her with firebombs. 

Yes (as in Scriptures) they choose the defenseless.
As we prayed and continue to pray for Ayala’s speedy and complete recovery, The Forward ran with Reuters, so forget tears and compassion and an understanding heart. Forget a moment to pause and reflect. Instead they used the incident to rush their politics, always to the most extreme detriment of the Jewish State.

The Israellycool website provides a more rounded account of how The Forward ran the story courtesy of Reuters

But I choose to focus on two passages, this first:
 “The [Israeli] military did not say whether the victims of the attack were settlers, who are bitterly resented by many Palestinians.”

Really? 

So if the victims were settlers, implies The Forward, it’s okay. It’s open season. Jews are fair game

Moreover, this sort of gutter journalism does not trouble itself from separating fact from opinion, as in “bitterly resented by many Palestinians.”
Who asked for the editorial -- and can it be that the “bitter resentment” more accurately expresses the view of Reuters and The Forward?

Sounds like it when we read what comes next:
“Palestinians want to establish a state in East Jerusalem, the occupied West Bank and Gaza, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war.”

Notice each word dipped in poison – “occupied” and “captured” and the most reliable phrasing of all, “Palestinians WANT.”

Yes they want and if Israel is reluctant to give them what they want the news media is always ready to be of service.

I should have seen this coming. But I have not been following The Forward. I had to Google it up and then found something and someone I did know.

Jane Eisner is The Forward’s editor-in-chief. It all came back as I remembered her years at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Along with cartoonist Tony Auth, she managed to infuriate and turn away thousands of fair-minded readers with her toxic anti-Israel rants.

It is one thing to be left-wing. It is yet another thing to be anti-Zionist. But it is something else to be entirely ridiculous, point made by Eisner’s Forward.
Thanks. 

Now, once again, we know where to go if we want news that is twisted, slanted, biased and laughable.


By Jack Engelhard who writes a regular column for Arutz Sheva. New from the novelist, the inside-the-newsroom tell-all thriller, The Bathsheba Deadline. Engelhard wrote the int’l bestseller Indecent Proposal that was translated into more than 22 languages and turned into a Paramount motion picture starring Robert Redford and Demi Moore. Website:www.jackengelhard.com

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

The who?? Why are you getting your knickers in a twist over The Forward? Who reads that rag? Find me one person who actually buys that paper! Read by a couple of lefty Jews who don't give a flip about Israel in any case??! Puh-lease!

Anonymous said...

And what do you call this blog? I guess since you guys crowned aready the forward with the "self-hating" title so the appropriate name for this blog THE SELF-PROCLAIMED FOLLOWERS OF THE NAZI SHTIRMER

Anonymous said...

As bad and as disgusting this leftist rag is,it is still a thousand times better than the two vile Nazi like Israel hating
rags,DER YID and DER BLATT,at least the Forward agrees that we have a right to Eretz Yisroel based on the borders of pre 1967,but not so the two Criminally insane
Satmar mouthpieces who week in and week out spew their filthy antisemitic pro Arab garbage,that Jews have no rights in Eretz Yisroel,and it needs to be dissolved.
A neighbor of mine an 89 year old holocaust survivor,whenever he happens to read one of these filthy disgusting rags,he literally bursts into tears, and tells me not since the holocaust and the infamous antisemitic anti jewish propaganda rag DER SHTURMER,has he read such anti jewish poisonous propaganda.
CHAIM.S
OCEAN PARKWAY
BROOKLYN

Anonymous said...

The two Satmar newspapers, are just constantly repeating what the Torah Hakedosha teaches us, what ALL relevant Rabbonim taught us, that the Jewish people have no claim on ISREAL untill HKBH will send MOSHIACH and redeem us, and ZIONISM is against the TORAH, even if the state would abide to all the mitzvos, and they definitely dont, Zionism is a curse.

Dusiznies said...

2:01
This comment has to be some sort of a cruel joke from a "twisted mind"
Where in the entire Torah, does the Torah say that?
Where in the entire Torah, does the Torah say that Zionisim "is a curse"

You made that up... didn't you!
Well I'll tell you what the Torah does say!
The Torah says in Parshas Shaygatz
that you are a filthy piece of tinofes!
and Rashi adds that not only are you a "filthy piece of tinofes"
but you are a cursed dog!
And looking thru all the meforshim, i see that no one argues with this assessment..
however, late last night I found an obscure Achron, that actually argues with Rashi, and says ....
"no! that you are not "a cursed dog"
but that you are a "mamzer ben niddah"

Anonymous said...

You're asking a real dumb question, where the TORAH says that?, learn the holy defer VAYOEL MOSHE, learn it beiyun, learn it without prejudice, learn it to find the truth, there you will find that the Rebbe writes and repeats what all Rabbonim Gedolei YISROEL held, and that is, that ZIONISM is NEGED HATORA, for we are not allowed to have a MEDINA, until HKBH will send MOSHIACH, there is no difference even today, its NEGED HATORA.

Anonymous said...

"....ZIONISM is against the TORAH, even if the state would abide to all the mitzvos,..."
Yeah... Says Who ??

Not the:
Ramban...
Rav Avrohom be Vilnah Gaon on Shir Hamalos in Tehillim...

Radak....
Rabbeinu Bachaya..

to name just a few of many, many who say there will be a kibbutz FIRST...
Rav Avrohom even offers an opinion that Eliyahu Hanavi will do the remaining kibbutz, NOT Moshiach... and more and more...

All gaonim , tzaddikim and pure...

Rav Hillel, in Sanhedrin who says unbelievably that : Ein Moshiach L'Yisroel anymore... To which Rashi and others teich him upp, that it will be Hashem himself who'll do kibbutz galios... Moshiach's role is unclear..
What'll you do with this Chazal, Pooooopik ??

So here comes ben Ferdiella the Bitchinke par excellence,and excretes here in public, stinks up the joint because he's a blasted cultist.
That his Jewish yichus is doubtful, is not shocking.

Derby....Zohs Chanukah came & went, and the lolly-lunatic still vomits, belches and passes octane gas al pee Der GOY, Der Glatt-A-Goyteh & Der TZVEI_TZOONG nochosh'l..
Cheers...!!!!!

Anonymous said...

So before you trot out on your nightly tryst with your clergymen who'll be MEVARER the Smirnoff,
Let me quote a man in my shul whose sandek was R' Yoel...
He said... I'm not going to get into the other stuff, but as far as Zionism is concerned, he was "meshuga l'oso dovor ".

Derby... Is MEVARER an Av melocho, a business, a Mexican chilli? What the heck is it???
What does a MEVARER do? Punch a clock?? What already !!!???

Anonymous said...

... ANd, Sonny Boy-two for a nickel....
I read Al Hagulah... Have it in my house.... I talked about it already, so it's a waste of time to discuss it. V'yoel Moshe on the other hand being its probable twin and thus never read it, won't read it at all, nor waste my valuable time on it....
How the Native-American came to the Americas is so much more fascinating..

Derby....
MEVARER.... What the heck is it?? Darn it...

Anonymous said...

I'm sure in consultation with the usual sources , he's preparing a long screaming harangue, to which I won't bother responding. Too busy with more constructive things.... Among them trying to define MEVARER....


Tammy Kol Toov...Call me Rabbanit now that I'm all slacks & fancy hatted .....

Anonymous said...

Can't resist a final ... Already mentioned before how I once defended him for 4 hours... Guy that knows him said that he's isn't good for Shytte... and I argued forcefully for 4 friggin' hours... That HE MOST CERTAINLY IS...


LOL & Ciao...
Derby.... Cheers me Bande... What's in the bottle t'nite???

Anonymous said...

Here is living, before-our-eyes proof of Ramban, etc. who were accurate to the tee.


Arutz 7 headline:

Aliyah Figures at Highest in a Decade; France Leads the Way

26,500 new immigrants in 2014 with France leading for first time ever, and Ukraine immigration up by 190%, as aliyah continues to flourish.....Aliyah from the former Soviet Union rose by 50%, reaching 11,430 with the notable increase from Ukraine. Likewise, aliyah from the United States remained strong reaching 3,470, an 8% increase from last year.

Over half of the immigrants in 2014 were under the age of 35, with 5,300 of them being children. The oldest immigrant made aliyah at the age of 104 from France, while the youngest was a 20-day-old infant from the US.

Around 2,500 of the immigrants work in engineering and technological fields, and over 1,000 doctors and health professionals made aliyah, along with roughly 600 artists and athletes.....

Proof positive that any denial Shitt'a is false, revisionist and sheker..... Boruch Hashem... Hodu L'Shem Ki Tov Ki L'olam Chasdo...
Michayil el Chayil..Kein Yirbu B"Eh

Drink ' L'chol Hapoochis' a small glezalle brandy....


Anonymous said...

Those statistics are missing the most important one, More than 1,000,000 many more than that, don't believe in HKBH or his TORAH UMITZVOS!!!!, Hashem Yerachem, RACHMANA LITZLAN, and you consider that kibbutz golios???????

Dusiznies said...

11:36
Are u sick in the head?
Open a Divrei Hayomim and see what Ezra & Nechamia write... about the residents of Eretz Yisroel ...
all mechallel shabbos ....and married to shiksas...
no one believed in Hashem...and no one believed in Hashem
and yet Nechmia & Ezra asked all Babylonians to make Aliyah!
What does Kibbutz golius ... have to do with their Fumkeit>
You meshiginar!

Anonymous said...

Did i read good? Where in the Torah is it written? And you really wanna know? Well Zionism was founded by a disgusting antisemitic subhuman God-hating atheist ym"s, even a Sefer Torah that was written by an atheist must be burned so there's no question and it's totally definite anything else not so holy specially something which was created as a fighting tool against Hashem in our case it's Zionism

Anonymous said...

"...don't believe in HKBH or his TORAH UMITZVOS!!!..."
And you know that for a fact.. You interviewed 1,000,000... OK..

Guess what?? HKB believes in THEM... He WANTS them... Unlike you, the arch Jew hater, koifer and delusionist.

"...and you consider that kibbutz golios??????? ...'
What else do you call it?

Please be MEVARER how you became such a loyal puppet of the Pravda magazine & regime???

Derby... He's like : "Truth be Told "... Ha ha ha... Can't contradict anything I wrote.

Anonymous said...

"....Well Zionism was founded by a disgusting antisemitic subhuman..."
No... Zionism was Hashem's call... YOU, the farkrumte Nachbi ben Vofsis didn't want it... Vayimasu Beretz Chemdah, so they went up ALONG with Ehrliche religious Zionists... but the rest of you stayed behind.... Now complain and yell all you want in your Home for Kurva Abused Children, and it won't help you.... It's here me Bande... Great ongoing kibbutz.... L' Chaim Boyz...Check it out on Arutz... A religious man kissing the ground as he walked off the plane.... A Zionist...!!!!
Tammy Kol Toov... Careful you don't get stuck in Monroe when Moshiach arrives... You know the story in Makas Choshech, don'tche..???!!!

Anonymous said...

"....so there's no question and it's totally definite anything else not so holy specially...."

DUH !!!!

HUH ????


Getting blasted a little early, mahn...
Wait till 12:00 when the ball falls....


Derby...

Anonymous said...

The Forward, definitely is full of SINAS YISROEL, however it has 'some' redeeming value, in the sense that they're open about it, however this low level blogspot, is by far much worse, as its pretending to be a religious site, when in fact it's more of a 'Sturmer' type publication, full of outspoken indiscriminate hateful venomous articles, spewing racist vile against the true EHRLICHE yidden, going truly in the way shown and taught by the Zionist leaders of yesteryear.

Anonymous said...

Again, YOU'RE the one who's tzudreit twisted and ignorant, like usual when you're stuck and have no answer, the name callings etc are starting

Anonymous said...

Hashem's call? NO it's a Nisayon of Hashem IDIOT

Yidel Warter said...

The following is the Satmer Rebbes opinion why Advocating Herzl’s plan to establish a Jewish government without Messiach is in violation with 2 of the 13 principles of the Jewish Religion A) Hashem punishes, B). Waiting for Meshiach,

1) It is important to remember that Jewish Sovereignty over Eretz Yisroel is CONDITIONAL!!!!

2) It so happened that in the covenant of Hashem with our father Abraham it was agreed that the punishment for violating the Jewish faith, would be Exile/Gules,

3) Hashem told us thru our NeVeim that the redemption of the Jewish people will be by Mesihach.

4) The Amoira Shmuel the biggest Poisek in his Generation says: That Hashems decree on us to WAIT for Meshiach, is meant for Mesihachs SOLE ACTION to Restore A Jewish Sovereignty and to reestablish a Jewish Government ,""All other attributes to Meshiach can be (and are)disputed"",

5) The Rambam brings down LeHalucha the words of Shmuel as impartial: “Umri Chacumim” and states that whoever does not WAIT for Meshiach (as described by Shmuel) is an Apikoires

6) The ReShab Writes a warning for our days: "That even if the Hertzel plan would achieve their goal, we must not listen to them in this matter "to make our redemption with our own power"

7) So any one who is ONLY in the OPINION that Meshiachs JOB may be achieved without him, is JUST
Not Waiting for Him and is an Apikoires , and The punishment for contemplating the Herzel plan is pre warned,

To illustrate the above, envision yourself with the following Mushel:

You see a group of people waiting at a bus stop, it is assumed that these people are waiting for a bus to arrive and to take them to a certain destination,

A taxi drives by, and yells out: You people are waiting for noting, no bus will arrive and the bus shelter will collapse on your head, hop into my taxi,

First group of Non Waiters

A few people pass by and say we have been waiting at another stop, and the bus broke down in front of our nose so we started to walk, join us

Second group of Non Waiters
Another group of people come by and say: Come help to push the broken bus

Third group of Non Waiters

A cyclist drives by, his Device blaring: we want the bus now we don't want to wait

Fourth group of Non Waiters

A horse and buggy passes by and yells out, I am a professional mechanic, if the bus will ever be fixed you won’t we be able to afford the fare, hop
unto my buggy,

Fifth group of Non Waiters

As the group of Waiters dwindle one Waiter says to the fellow next to him, I know the bus manufacturer and his product, even I will be here by myself I will remain Waiting , the fellow next to him replies , but explain me why did the bus manufacturer tell us to wait for a bus when he also manufactures planes trains, ships, tanks cars, bike, scooters?, and why such lousy shelter?

The first Waiter replies, I do not understand the logic behind His plan, but HE said when the bus will arrive the plan will be self-understood

WAITING is a stage of a resolute inactive passive behavior,

WAITING when decreed by a SUPER BEING, has to become a frame of mind, Like it or not, practical or not,

Jews have to wait for Meshiach to create a Jewish State, creating a Jewish state without him, one becomes a Non Waiter, which the Rambam calls
an APIKOIRES,

Yidel Warter said...

SUMMERY
In the beginning of the Common Era the Amoire Shmuel formulated his successful campaign against early Christians and devised a slogan that said "" The ONLY difference between before Meshiach and after Meshiach is HIM establishing of a Jewish Independent Government""" , which Yoshke failed to accomplish ,

Bavli prods 5 times the soundness and scope of Shmuels slogan by analyzing 5 statements that broadens the scope of Meshiachs Actions/Era , but all 5 statements agree that the reestablishing of a Jewish government is exclusively Meshiachs role for the Jewish people,(V”Yoel Moshe) and the Rambam Codifies this as Halacha by Proclaiming for us today :

1) Jews wait for Meshiach to be free of non Jewish governments, by Meshiach Himself establishing a Jewish sovereignty,

2) All other objectives that might result at the era of Meshiach does not necessarily have to happen by Meshiach Personally,

3) Do Not Talk about the OTHER OBJECTIVES when highlighting Meshiachs Objective (as Shmuel has done in his campaign),

4) Whoever does not believe the above or does not WAIT for Meshiach to do the creation of the Jewish State is an A P I K O R E S

Please be open minded by joining the Satmers in prayers, that Hashem should not punish us again, because of those who are actively Non-Waiters

Anonymous said...

Reb Yidel Bravo! 'GUT GEZUGT' 'EMES VEYATZIV', 'TORAS EMES', YASHER KOACH.

Anonymous said...

Just a quick one to YidelFarter, the English pro'FResser who's pooped here before and on some other sidewalks in the past....
Shmuel's words as you quote him, are NOWHERE...Deliberate misinterpretation...Show mareh mekomos of everything Shmuel said about Moshiach, not in Vayoel Moshe , but gemorrah daf & ummid...

I stand by my earlier post & will B"LN sometime in the future post the many rabbonim who disagreed with your Babel-babble...


A shout out to to ben Ferdiella, the "GUT GEZOGT" reeling drunkard,the lowlife maligner of 1,000,000 Jews, who at 12:00 am will CRACK a new bottle in a gutte shuh.

Now, you go ahead and PHART while thousand BL"EH coming to EY from all over the world... building, planting, blooming, singing, learning, beautifying the country and preparing for Moshiach....

Rabbanit Tammy Kol Toov...


Anonymous said...

Shmuel said that there won't be any ifference between Moshiach's ime & ours except shibud malchios.... What else did he say about it and WHERE??? Give chapter & verse....
Shmuel's statement is opposed by R' Chiya bar Abba, I believe. Rambam brings him into the conversation, Raavad disagrees and the Lubavitcher Rebbe discusses it at length, as do others, and find contradictions and attempt to resolve them.
What the Vyoel Moshe says , is of no interest to me.
Suffice it to say, that because of the nebulous nature of the machlokes AND about those times in general, it's hefkeirus to label others apikorsim based on that discussion. What IS clear is that there was a bas kol which even the umos haolam heard, there's a medinah al pi Hashem, there IS a kibbutz, there IS growth of miraculous proportions, there ARE nissim bchol yom, and anybody who doesn't see that IS an apikorus.

Derby... Bring the Guinness.... At 12:01, the Bande'll celebrate..

Dusiznies said...

Hey Yiddel
I read your entire post and you "ploider" and "ploider" like a "popagai"
What are you blabbering about? HMMMMM?
I am not going to go over all your idotic points... it was already hashed over by my posts ...
see my side posts with the picture of R' Yoel on the side..

But I will say this:
Yermiyahu Hanavie said in Eichah 4:22
"Your iniquity is finished, O daughter of Zion. He will mot exile you again .."
see Rashi .."after the Edomite exile."
Chazal understood that this pasuk contains the guarantee for the Jewish People: Hashem pardoned all our sins at the time of the 2nd distruction and promised that He would never exile us again. Many Midrashim express this idea, as well... (see Va'Yikra Rabbah 11 :Bamidbar Rabbah 13, Tanchuma, Shemos 13: Yalkut Shimonie, Yirmiyahu 327)

Midrash Tanchuma (Va'yeirah 22) states:
From now on, Israel will not be exiled."
Eicha Rabbah (4:25) goes so far to say that Sefer Eicha is more beloved to Israel than all of Yirmiyahu's other prophecies because of the above quoted pasuk.

R' Yosef Albo writes in his Sefer Ha'ikarim (4:42)
"Yirmiyahu's statement in Sefer Eicha ""Your iniquity is finished, O daughter of Zion. He will mot exile you again .."
can only be interpreted in reference to the current, final exile, namely the exile [that followed the destruction] of the Second Temple."

See the Radak (Yeshatah 66:22)
" You who live at the time of the redemption, do not think that your descendants may be banished from their land and lost in exile. This will not happen, for your offspring will experiance the same blessing that your experiance, forevermore, like the days of the heaven above the earth. The name of Israel will never perish and THE JEWISH PEOPLE WILL NEVER BE EXILED FROM THEIR LAND AGAIN."
See also Radak's on Yeshayahu 34:1, 60:21, Amos 89:15, Yechezkel 37:14,

The Metzudas Dovid agrees:
" Thet will NEVER BE EXILED FROM THE LAND AGAIN,for they will dwell there forever." (Amos 9:15)
See also Metzudas Dovid on Yeshayahu 51:11, 61:7, 65:5, Amos 9:14-15, Yirmiyahu 42:10, Zecharyeh 2:16,

Rabbeinu Bachya (Devorim 1:1)
"Israel's primary settlement in Eretz Yisroel did not occur at the time of the first 2 Temples, rather during the final redemption,AFTER WHICH THERE WILL BE NO EXILE."

The Ramban when discussing the issue of the exile and redemption, only mentions the possibility of two exiles see his pirush in Vayikrah 26:16 and Devorim 28:42

There is a famous story (published in Sefer Am Levodod Yishkon) about R' Yitzchok Isaac Herzog z"l, that took place at the height of WW2.The German army had reached Egypt and intended on conquering the entire area including Eretz Yisrael. Rav Herzog, who was the Chief Rabbi, had just concluded a diplomatic trip to America and was planning to return to Eretz Yisroel. Pres Roosevelt warned him not to go back, lest he fall into German hands. Rav Herzog replied that there was nothing to worry about, "The prophets foretold only two destructions, not a third." And so it was; the Germans were defeated ans the Jewish people regained sovereignty over their Land after 1,900 years of exile.

Let us close with the holy words of the brilliant R' Yaakov Moshe Charlop z"l in his sefer Ma'aynei Ha Yeshua 2:70,
"It is clear as day that there will never be a third destruction, and the newly established State of Israel will never falter"






Anonymous said...

Ezra and Nechemya had a direct Nevuah to go up to Eretz Yisroel, Bimlous Shivim Shana, regardless of the religiousness of Klal YISROEL, whereas bizman hazeh we have a Nevuah to wait until HKBH in his infinite wisdom will redeem us from this bitter Galus, Hishbaati Eschem Bnos Yerushalayim Bitzvaos Ubeaylos Hasadeh Uum Tauri Veum Teoreru ESS Haahavah AAD Shetechpatz, and Chazal explain that Nevuah, Veum Laav Ani Matir ESS Besarchem, unfortunately the Zionist movement caused this terrible Onesh to befall Klal YISROEL, during WW2, and even now in Eretz YISROEL and also all over the world, SINAS YISROEL is at an all time high as never before, and all because of cheap Nationalism, RACHMANA LITZLAN.

Anonymous said...

The State of Izrael is the biggest hindrance to the redemption by HKBH himself, and until this abomination exists Moshiach can't and won't come, we have to be Mispalel in all of our thrice daily Tefilos, Umalchus Harishah Mehera Theaker, without any Jewish Karbanos. Unfortunately meanwhile practically on a daily basis, Jewish lives are taken, and sacrificed on the altar of Secular ZIONISM, Hashem Yerachem.

Anonymous said...

"...Hishbaati Eschem Bnos Yerushalayim Bitzvaos Ubeaylos Hasadeh Uum Tauri Veum Teoreru ESS Haahavah AAD Shetechpatz, and Chazal ...."

"Hishbati Eschem" is in Shir Hashirim. Chazal uses this in Ksubes in the AGGADETEH of the 3 shvuos.

Look in Shir Hashirim, the source, and with the exception of 1, all meforshim disregard this Aggedeteh and explain it differently.

Rashi, for example... Yes , the same Rashi whom YOU & YOUR ILK interpret his interpretation of Malchus Hazolo, as proof against Zionism, which by the way, he doesn't say, says the following:

The pusuk appears 3x... and on all 3x, Rashi explains that it means the UMOS HAOLAM, not Bnei Yisroel. ALL 3x. A TOTALLY DIFFERENT pshat.
Rashi adds the following:

.....Yesh Midrashei aggadah rabbim...
V'einum misyashvim al seder hadvorim...
Ki roeh ani shnisnabeh Shlomo v'dabeir al yetziyas Mitzraim, Matan Torah, v'hamishkan, biya Haaretz, galus Bavel, biyas Bayis sheni vecherbono...

But you ONLY write from the Vyoli Moish's point of view and NEVER look at anything else.
Most Yidden, on the other hand, look at everything else EXCEPT the Vyoil Moishe.
The biggest hindrance to redemption is the ravings of kofrim, minim and apikorsim who refuse to recognize Yad Hashem... EY was given b'yisurrim... They can be lessened if we all make Aliya, or at the very least to acknowledge the great miracle of the State of Israel...
It's an exciting time... Kibbutz galios...
Had we but all made Aliyah during those heady days after the '67 War, Moshiach would've been here already..
"Bittere" kofrim and malshinim like you are holding him up....

Derby... On the other hand, it says one shouldn't argue with an out and out drunken apikorus and ben kurva... Oh well....

Anonymous said...

All these arguments, quoting this and that, defilement and invective both sides - the common denominator: hatred. Notwithstanding, out of all faiths, Judaism is obviously the best :-7

Anonymous said...

"....Ezra and Nechemya had a direct Nevuah to go up to Eretz Yisroel, Bimlous Shivim Shana,..."

Right, and most frum didn't listen to the nevuah, neither did they when HBH Himself told them to go into EY bizman Moshe Rabbeinu, neither are they going now.
Frummies are carrying a load of baggage, aren't they?


Derby....Ei, Ei, Ei.... A bechiyah ledoros... Oy Vay

Anonymous said...

.... And because they didn't listen to the nevuah, the 2nd Beis Hamikdash wasn't what it was supposed to be... Ei, Ei, Ei...

You chose an example that fell right into a trap.



Rabbanit Tammy Kol Toov

Anonymous said...

"... the common denominator: hatred. ..."

Not exactly. I never read any religious Zionist sefer or article that espouses hatred of the other shitta. It's we , who have endured the worst kind of klulles, and sometimes, as happens here, the name calling is returned. I'm not happy about it, but have offered this guy intelligent discussion in the past to no avail. Hence, your moral equivalency isn't fair nor true.

Derby... Have an easy fast and may the Bet Hamikdash be built very soon.

Anonymous said...

As usual you're not addressing the main point, talking sideways, changing the subject to cursing slandering etc, we'll repeat the point again, while the standard of the religious observance of some of the Jews in those times was wanting, (but in reality way way better than 85 to 90% of the Israeli population), still they had in their possession a DIRECT NEVUAH FROM HKBH who in his infinite wisdom chose to redeem us then and there, But in this Galus, which is the last one, he instructed us otherwise, that we should wait, and patiently wait, till the time when HE will ultimately redeem us, and he explicitly forbade us from doing ANYTHING other than praying for our ultimate redemption, Chazal clearly stated what would happen if we do otherwise, and that's exactly what happened and came to be, Jewish blood was hefker, Jewish life had no value whatsoever, precisely what chazal warned and taught us, VEIM LAAV ANI MATIR ESS BESARCHEM, let's all of us join in prayer to our 'TATTE IN HIMMEL', 'UMALCHUS HARISHAH MEHEIRA THEAKER', HKBH should abolish this MEDINA HATEMEIHA without any Jewish loss of life : property, and send us Moshiach in our days AMEN VEAMEN.

Anonymous said...

"... Chazal clearly stated what would happen ..."
False. Where is it CLEARLY stated??

Ok, I got things to do... It's a waste...
Heck, who am I ? My religious Zionist rabbonim, yerei Shomayim,tzaddikim, kedoshim Z"YA already discussed it, knew ALL of our Chazals, knew ALL your arguments... Yet,determined otherwise.. You Satmar shita has been rejected and and .. v'hu reieh..?? Israel is H_E_R_E..
What's so hard to understand??? Your pshutim are obviously false...

DUN..!!!

Derby ... Sideways???? DUH..!!! I'm addressing all your bucket throws piece by piece, quote for quote... So what's this about sideways???? ... DUH... HUH ???..

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Berl said...

to Dusiznies
varters argument is that a government is forbidden without meshiach establishing it
non of your points refute that

Anonymous said...

Exactly, quite a few people commented the same observation.

Dusiznies said...

11:57
Where does the Torah say that?
No Government till Moshiach?
It seemes that the Torah didn't say it, ve'hoo'riah most gedpoilie Hador lived in Israel.. Chazon Ish etc.....
and Nechemia and Ezra says there will never be another destruction...
and if the Torah said No Government, are you saying that Rav Ovadia Yosef z"l, Rav Schach z"l, Gerrer Rebbe etc who all had candidates in the Elections are violating the Torah,
but the Satmar Rabbis that misled hundred of thousands of Jews pre-WW2 and as a result millions went to the slaughter....
they were right?
How blind are you guys? How stupid?
The facts are very stubborn...The State of Israel exists and will exist ad bias Hamashiach!
But you can hold on to this false and anti_Jewish Shitah as long as you want.... but don't ever say DIN wasn't right when they come rounding up your family ..

Anonymous said...

OK... Listen You MF SEYMOUR ..... I don't like what you said about Harav Kook, you BEN ZONAH.....


I have nothing more to say to a piece of DOG SHYTTE....
GO STINK IN MONROE.... BASTARD...!!!!!'
You exposed yourself for what you are...
A KOFER, APIKOROS.... !!!!!

Do you know who your father is??????

On this fast day yet...

SHLUSS...!!!!!
SHTIK DEE-RECK..!!!


Derby... Dun with this bum..

Anonymous said...

For all those that don't believe that an Israeli government can exist.... The Sirah Achreh with her tight pants ensnared you, put blinders on you and put sweet kfireh in your sponge heads.... One last time....
IT"S HERE!!!!!

IT"S BEEN HERE FOR 65YEARS !!!!!

HKH WANTS IT..!!!!!!

THE KIBBUTZ IS ONGOING...!!!!

NO other proof is even necessary...!

ANY TOIRELE TO DEFAME IT IS
FALSE AND ANTI-SEMITIC...!!!

YOUR TAMEI RA'AH BIRD EYES WON"T SEE IT BECAUSE OF YOUR TZORAAS..!!!

Now, that ben kurva mamzer who keeps writing and congratulating himself, should know he's fooling nobody but his mother....
Outside of Pharter, and one more... HE'S THE ONLY LUNATIC THUG with a Schizoid 3-headed Siamese dreck heads that keeps talking to himself...

Derby....

Anonymous said...

... And BERL Shmuck... Reread Rabbi Wein again.... Reread what I wrote, and read other rabbis instead of the TRAIN CHassidus are blabbering.... You know about the train?????
Oh, you don't, huh???

Well, ask some of my Hungarian friends... They'll tell you Berele Putzface...!!!

Anonymous said...

Everything Pharter wrote has been repudiated. There are other explanations as I pointed out, AND Pharter is only papagei'ing and maleh geiru'ing a sole one-sided discredited shita that no sane Yid supports. End of story.
The great Amoreh Shmuel said only ONE thing about the geulah, and from this a TRAIN of MEVARERISM emerged. I asked for mareh mekomos... I got none... I pointed out Rashi's words......

"Yesh Midrashei aggadah rabbim...
"V'einum misyashvim al seder hadvorim"..
.They cannot answer it.... For every thing Ben Zoneh belched , I responded.... You don't need me.... All you need are religious Zionist rabbis.... Harav Moreinu Harav KookZ"TL Brosh.... and now go fly a kite...


Rabbanit Tammy Kol Toov... And ya wanna know something? Yes klavtehs.... Avi Weiss got something... It's only gonna get bigger... Just like Sara Shneri's idear.... Maharat, is the future.... Now gag on that...!!!!

Nitrer said...

to Yidel varter
It always bothered me why Shmuel uses the words of Ein Bein which implies Exclusive when tosfes says that Ein Bein is Inclusive
I went over all 5 Gmuras and the rambam with your approach everything falls in place

Anonymous said...

DAILY DAF



brought to you by Kollel Iyun Hadaf of Har Nof

Rosh Kollel: Rav Mordecai Kornfeld
THE WORLD IN THE TIMES OF MASHIACH

QUESTION: There are two opinions concerning what the world will be like in the times of Mashiach. According to Shmuel, the world will be the same as it is now, with the exception that the Jewish people will be autonomous and not subjugated to foreign dominion. According to Rebbi Chiya bar Aba, the world will fundamentally change; all of the prophecies of the prophets will come true, and war and poverty will be nonexistent.
The RAMBAM, when describing the times of Mashiach, appears to contradict himself. In Hilchos Teshuvah (8:7), the Rambam writes that all the prophecies of the prophets apply to the times of Mashiach, and not to Olam ha'Ba. Similarly, in Hilchos Melachim (12:1,5) he writes that there will be no more war or starvation in the times of Mashiach. The Rambam is clearly ruling in accordance with the opinion of Rebbi Chiya bar Aba. However, in the same chapter (12:2), the Rambam quotes the words of Shmuel, "There is no difference between this world and the times of Mashiach except the lack of subjugation to foreign dominion," who argues with Rav Chiya bar Aba and the other statements that the Rambam writes!

ANSWER: The Rambam himself gives the key to answering this contradiction. In Hilchos Melachim (12:1), the Rambam writes that all of the prophecies in Yeshayah (ch. 11) such as the wolf living with sheep are all metaphorical, representing the fact that there will be peace between the Jews and the seventy "wolfs," the other nations of the world.

The Rambam understood that Rav Chiya Bar Aba was saying that although the prophecies *will* come to pass in the days of Mashiach, the natural order of the world will *not* change. There will be no miraculous changes in the physical nature of the world. Any prophecy that alludes to a miraculous change is in truth just a metaphor.

According to Shmuel, on the other hand, the prophecies will not come to pass at all in the times of Mashiach, and there will *not* be peace among the other nations. That is why the Rambam -- who says that the prophecies *will* come true in the time of Mashiach (not like Shmuel) -- can still say that there will be no change in the actual *nature* of the world. (See LECHEM MISHNAH in Hilchos Teshuvah 8:7)

Why, then, does the Rambam use the words of Shmuel to express this thought, when Shmuel himself meant his words literally -- that there is no difference between this world and the times of Mashiach even with regard to peace in the world, and not just with regard to the physical nature of the world. Why does the Rambam use those same words to refer to a different concept -- that there *will* be a significant difference between this world and the times of Mashiach?

It can be proven from many places that the Rambam was so fond of using the phraseology of Chazal that he often used the words of Chazal when they express his point, even when they were originally stated in a completely different, and even opposite, context (see, for example, Hilchos Isurei Bi'ah 1:3). Here, the words of Shmuel are quoted to express the Rambam's view, even though Shmuel himself meant something entirely different. (M. Kornfeld)
2) CONCLUSION: THE WORLD IN THE TIMES OF MASHIACH
OPINIONS: What will the world be like in the times of Mashiach, according to the Chachamim who hold that the prophecies of the prophets will come true?
(a) The RAMBAM (Hilchos Melachim 12:1) writes that the prophecies will come true, but they are all metaphors. The nature of the world will not change; it will only change as far as peace and plenty are concerned, but the physical properties of the world will not change.
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Anonymous said...

b) The RA'AVAD disagrees, citing as proof the verse, "And I will cause all wild animals to cease..." (Vayikra 36:6). The Ra'avad apparently means that even if the words of the prophets can be understood figuratively, the words of the Torah can be understood only literally (as we find in the 32 Midos of Rebbi Eliezer ben Rebbi Yosi ha'Gelili, Midah #26). Since the Torah says that the physical properties of animals will change in the times of Mashiach, we see that there will also be physical changes in the nature of the world.

(c) The RADBAZ on the Rambam (ad loc.) compromises, suggesting that in the land of Israel, the words of the prophets will come true literally, while outside of Israel, they will occur only in a figurative sense.

Anonymous said...

Niter.... Not for nothing, but you're full of it.... What EXACTLY is your kasha? You speak in riddles.... How do the 5 gemorahs solve your kasha? Which 5 gemorahs...And what falls into place?
Now don't pull a hit & run... Today is a fast day... hard to figure out your g'oinis and teasers....
Go ahead, please...

Derby... Unless ben Zoneh figured out how to put a name into the Anonymous button.

Nitrer said...

My kasha was, if Ein Bein means to include other differences that will be when mesihach will come (like tosfes says on the meaning of Ein Bein ) why did Shmuel use the word Ein Bein which literally means that there will only be one difference from before meshiach and after meshiach ?? the kashe is much strong when you see that 5 times does the gemura scrutinize other Amaroims words if they agree to shmuel, so apparently there was a unique translation to Shmuels usage of the word Ein Bein,
but the way Yidel varter brings from the yayol moshe ( i dont have acces to one) The exclusive Ein Bein is on Meshiach personal role in establishing a Jewish government, to which no one disagrees ,what there are Amoiruim in disagreement on other changes that Might transpire in the ERA of meshiach not an act of meshaich for us to wait for him to do
This logic is the source of the rambam that says says DONT BE BUSY with the inclusives of the era of meshiach ONLY talk and wait for the exclusiveness (Ein Bein)of meshiach personal mission of reestablishing a jewish government as god promise to us

Dusiznies said...

I removed 11:33's comment because I warned that mamzer not to curse anyone...
but he cursed the Great Tzaddik Hador Rav Kook z"l and he continues to praise that hooligan in Monroe!

Dusiznies said...

3:11
The Government of Israel was established by the League of Nations and after that, the United Nations recognized the State Of Israel..
Most of the world was Maskim at the time, for Jews to have a State!
The only ones that wern't maskim was R' Yoel Teitelbaum that was saved by the Zionists, and the Arabs
everyone else was thrilled!

Anonymous said...

You're adding "a Jewish government" to his words.
Not that he won't... Of course he will... But there's no proof that any other type of Jewish government , i.e. like the one today, cannot occur before Moshiach.. It has..!!

That's the point... It has... even though it's certainly not the kind that'll exist then..
Please see the Lubavitcher Rebbe's discussion about this and the problematic contradictions in the Rambam, machloke with the Raavad, and how the Rebbe tries awfully hard to resolve it.
Bottom line is , no matter what some Rishonim may have said years ago, the phenomenon of today's EY, the kibbutz, etc. is REAL...
HKB created it with nissim.... Aye, you have a kasha, well then , you have a kasha.. Do you understand why Koresh, the goy was chosen to help build the BH and was called was called Moshiach? Do you understand why a Jewish woman , Esther, had to be married to a goy, so that the Purim ness had to happen? Lot's daughters & Moshiach? Yehuda & Tamar? No... So those who curse also have NO clue .
Ramban & Radka etc. etc. outright say that there will be a yishuv of Jews in EY BEFORE Moshiach...

Points being:
1. EY is HERE, & growing... No matter what.
2. If you disagree, you have no right to curse and shellt, especially religious Zionists...

Derby

Anonymous said...

... And that's the point of Rabbi Wein's article.. He may not be YOUR gadol, but he's no slouch. Guaranteed that he knows all the Rambams too.



Derby

Anonymous said...

Guess what? HKB does NOT believe in them! He wants them to do TESHUVA before it's too late!
And can you please be MEVARER how YOU became such a narrow minded loyal puppet of the bluff and empty propaganda of the NaZionistic regime?
The answer is VERY clear a FERD is a FERD

Anonymous said...

We all know that the real 'reason' you removed those comments is because this person is a voice of 'reason', in sharp contrast to the posts of this blogger and derby (the ferd), who are nothing more or less, than 2 borderline psychotic lunatics, MESHUGA LEOSO davar, who turn off normal sensible people by their bombastic unreasonable comments

Yidel Warter said...

"Anonymous said... You're adding "a Jewish government" to his words.
there's no proof that any other type of Jewish government , i.e. like the one today, cannot occur before Moshiach"
It can occur but the rambam calles the APIKORSEM beacuse they did not wait for meshiach to establish IT

Anonymous said...

Its an interesting observation of note, that even here, in this biased blog, which its charter is ZIONISM, still most of the comments are not in agreement with it, and are vehemently and fiercely opposed to all the posts which support ZIONISM. Can you explain this? My personal take from this is, that ZIONISM is BH waning and its days are numbered.

Yidel Warter said...

""Dusiznies said.. The Government of Israel was established by the League of Nations and after that, the United Nations recognized the State Of Israel..Most of the world was Maskim at the time, for Jews to have a State""

Goiyem can be non waiters, Jews have to wait for meshiach to establish their state
Non waiting even in the planning stage had dire consequences
Hashem should spare us from chevlei meshaich

Anonymous said...

The blog operator makes many mistakes, and among others he confuses mixes up some things with others, among these mistakes is, his convoluted crooked mindset, that because The secular atheist MEDINA is a fact, therefore hkbh is happy with it,and tthat's a very dumb stupid apikorsishe thought, because take that further, the catholic church and many other false religion's are here thousand's of years longer than the zionist ZIMAH MEDINA, so......??????

Dusiznies said...

4:58
Kish mich in tuches

Anonymous said...

EX_LAX-TY... !!!!! K.M.A.!!!!!!


It's our buddy Sy, the obsessed you know what....The nervous NEllY of Internet interdiction of his Rev's ban... The sheygatz didn't open a sefer all day...


Derby.... Ahhhh.... I feel better now that I've decided not to bother with him.
Kisch ahn Alte Goyteh....

Anonymous said...

"....It can occur but the rambam calles the APIKORSEM beacuse they did not wait for meshiach to establish IT ...."
Oh no he doesn't Pharter'l...

But you can call me Pisher...!!!! Ha Ha.

Oh by the way.... ShopRite sells "Gas Relief" tablets... Cherry Crème flavored.... Promises to relieve gas fast, discomfort, pressure & bloating.

Derby...

Anonymous said...

"...APIKORSEM beacuse ...."

Pharter'l...... You're Hungarian Transylvanian , right.

I kann tell by yoooor Hoooong'ahrien Uktzent.... Te Bidush...!!!!!

Ohpeeeeekorsehmm !!!!! beeecohz dey ahrr nutt lis'oooning to my sheeeee'teh.....
Gei koyf shoyn dee Cheisseh Halless !!!!!

L'HALLL Chapoooo'hess.. Cha-Cha- Cha--

Anonymous said...

Actually, Derby, his grandparents spoke that way. He however, can't pronounce the English 'R'.... you know, says rah..rah...rah.. with the Spanish 'R'.
BUT... He's from Mun'roe, since he doodles 'Apikorsem'... Like in Apikorsehm.
The Willys, on the other hand, say 'Apikrsum... like in ... Apikorsuhm... Noochuhm.... Shimmuhn.... Ya see?

Tammy Kol Toov.....

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Anonymous said...

Just keep on deleting the best and the common sense comments, and you'll find yourself blowing your horn, that you're getting all of 99 hits per year, by the way, you do get quite a lot of 'hits', as most of the comments ' hit' you where it hurts, demolishing your Apikorsus blowing it into smithereens. I'd say if not us, the 'authentic' 'original' 'unwavering' 'EHRLICHE' yidden, your 'hits' would count in the 'teens' per year, those apikorsum like you, are busy surfing the 'deep' web, 'por..', 'Avodah Zara', Krishna', they have 'graduated' to more 'important' subjects. Sof Davar, 'your' blog, is practicality 'bankrupt' having no followers, witness the 'fact' that there are NO comments on most posts, the only time you get 'hits' is when you open your 'clapper' and write your 'stale' 'putrid' 'Apikorsus', and only then you really get 'hits', Kemo Shekatuv...