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Saturday, November 15, 2014

What is the Halacha in reference to "The Temple Mount"?

We are constantly bombarded in the news, about Jews wanting to daven at the Har Habayis, and yet there are Gedolim that say that it is prohibited!
Are there Gedolim that permit davening at the Har Habayis? If so, who are they and what is the Heter?

But if we walk away from the Har Habyis, aren't we giving up the sovereignty of the Mount to the Arabs? 

Should we do it for peace? 

Or are we Halachlicly prohibited from walking away from it, even if this will cause Arabs to riot?

Read the following from Rabbi Eliezer Melamed shlitah, and hopefully this will give us some clarity!
The writer is Head of Yeshivat Har Bracha and a prolific author on Jewish Law, whose works include the series on Jewish law "Pininei Halacha" and a popular weekly column "Revivim" in the Besheva newspaper. This article was written in Hebrew and translated into English!
Rabbi Eliezer Melamed Shlitah

Next week on the 24th day of the Jewish month Mar Cheshvan (Monday) will be twenty years since the death of the Chief Rabbi of Israel, the Gaon, Rabbi Shlomo Goren ztz’l. In these days, when Har Habayit (the Temple Mount) is in the headlines, it is worth quoting segments from his book "Har Habayit", published a year before his death. In his book, he investigates in detail the site of the Mikdash (Holy Temple) and the azarot (Temple courtyards), areas that are forbidden to enter even after immersion in a mikveh (a bath used for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism), and areas that Jews are permitted to enter after immersion.

The time was the days of the second Rabin government, which conducted agreements with the PLO terrorist organization, and handed over parts of the Land of Israel to our enemies. In his introduction to the book he wrote: "Currently, when Jewish sovereignty over the Temple Mount is in danger, Mount Moriah is liable to become the subject of negotiation between us and the Arabs, and unfortunately, there are politicians who are willing to negotiate our sovereignty over the Temple Mount, relying on the alleged prohibition of the Chief Rabbinate to enter Har Habayit. This prohibition is liable to be used as an excuse to hand over the nation's Kodesh ha’Kodashim (inner sanctum) to the Muslims. Therefore, I decided to publish the book now, from which it will be proven that there are large areas of the Temple Mount which all Jews are permitted to enter, according to all halakhic opinions, after immersion in a mikveh..."(p.15).

The Reasons for the ‘Heter’

The Temple Mount is composed of two areas. The first, which is the smallest area, includes the site of the Holy Temple and the courtyards, and is called machaneh shechina (the inner azara), which nowadays is forbidden to enter because we cannot be cleansed from tumat met (defilement of the dead). The second area, which includes the majority of the Temple Mount, is called machaneh levia, and it is permitted to enter these areas today after immersion. Indeed, in the years preceding the establishment of the State of Israel the rabbis, including Rabbi Kook ztz’l, instructed us not to enter the Temple Mount at all, for fear that people might go beyond the permitted areas and enter forbidden places.

Three factors prompted Rabbi Goren to permit going up to the majority of areas on the Temple Mount: 

1) the precise mapping of the Temple Mount conducted by the I.D.F. Engineer Corps under his orders after the liberation of the Temple Mount; with these maps, it was possible to accurately determine which areas were permitted to enter according to all halakhic opinions. 

2) The many testimonies that for more than a thousand years after the destruction of the Holy Temple, Gedolei Yisrael (eminent rabbis) used to pray on the Temple Mount in the permitted areas. 

3) The threat to Jewish sovereignty on the Temple Mount.
It is possible that one of the motivations for placing the warning signs not to enter the Temple Mount might have been so as not to provoke the Muslims when the British ruled Israel, and in events of riots, did not properly protect the Jews.

Lowering Ourselves to the Kotel – The Result of the Sufferings of Exile

Rabbi Goren wrote about his feelings after the Six Day War: "I could not escape the feeling that from a historic perspective, assigning the Western Wall plaza for Jewish prayer was nothing but the result of the expulsion of the Jews from the Temple Mount by the Crusaders and Muslims together. Thus, an intolerable situation was created in which even after our liberation of the Temple Mount, the Muslims remained on top of Har Habayit, and we were down below; they were inside, and we were outside.

The prayers at the Western Wall are a symbol of destruction and exile, and not of liberation and redemption, because Jewish prayers at the Western Wall began only in the sixteenth century – before that, Jews prayed for centuries on the Temple Mount ... only about three hundred years ago, the Jews began praying at the Western Wall. And this the proof: in every reference in the Midrash where it is mentioned that the shechina (Divine Presence) has not moved from the Western Wall, and learns this from the verse in Shir Hashirim (Song of Songs): ‘Behold! There he stands behind our wall’ – this refers to the western wall of the azara, or the wall of the heichal, in other words, the wall of the Kodesh HaKodashim, and not the wall of the Har Habayit, which we call the Western Wall"(pg. 26).

The Necessity to Ascend from the Western Wall to Har Habayit

However, the intensity of the minhag (custom) based on over three centuries was considerable, and therefore after the Six Day War, the public at large thronged to the Western Wall to pray. Rabbi Goren himself wrote that one of the things that prevented him from acting quickly to regulate the ascent of Jews to the Temple Mount was his being "bound by the ‘chains of love’ for the remnant of our Holy Temple, the Western Wall, where I used to pray every Shabbat, holiday, and Rosh Chodesh evenings. Since my first visit to the Western Wall (as a child), my love and emotional affinity for the Wailing Wall has not faded... ","but our shout ...Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord”... aroused him to become stronger and clarify the heter to ascend Har Habayit (pg. 14). Consequently, he began organizing prayers on the Temple Mount (ibid, pg. 27).

The Canceled Prayer

Before the Shabbat following Tisha B’Av in 1967, Rabbi Goren publicly announced a mass, gala prayer to be held on the Temple Mount in the areas where entrance was permitted after immersion. However, by the orders of Prime Minister and Defense Minister the prayer was canceled. A few days later, the ministerial committee decided that the Defense Minister and the Chief of Staff order the Chief Rabbi of the I.D.F., Rabbi Goren, not to arrange any more prayers on the Temple Mount (pg. 29-30).

The Shock

The order shocked Rabbi Goren, and he tried everything within his power to cancel it, including writing a long and detailed letter to the ministerial committee, in which he argued: How is it possible that precisely in the holiest place for Jews, it is forbidden for them to pray?! True, there are a limited amount of areas in which entrance is forbidden according to the Torah for Jews and Gentiles alike, but entrance to the majority of the Temple Mount is permitted. Towards the end of his letter, he called out: "Distinguished men! Save the Holy of Holies of the Jewish nation; do not hand over the Temple Mount to those who defile it ..." (pp 30-33).

The Defense Minister

Unfortunately, Rabbi Goren's call went unanswered. Defense Minister Moshe Dayan decided to transfer the responsibility for managing the Temple Mount arrangements to the Waqf, and ordered the Military Rabbinate to evacuate Har Habayit, and not to interfere in matters concerning the Temple Mount any more. Rabbi Goren responded with "rage and sorrow”, informing the Defense Minister that "this, God forbid, could lead to the destruction of the Third Temple, for the key to our sovereignty over Judea, Samaria and Gaza is the Temple Mount" (page 34).
Nevertheless, the Defense Minister implemented one of the most shameful acts in the history of Israel, and handed over the affairs of the Temple Mount to the Muslim Waqf. For many years it was known that Moshe Dayan had both a dark and a light side jumbled together. 

On the one hand, he was a Jewish military hero, but on the other hand, an adulterer and a thief. Apparently, his adultery and thievery tipped the scales against him. That is when he began to lose his public status. His name go down in infamy.

Sovereignty

Still, when the Muslims closed the Mughrabi Gate to prevent Jews from entering the Temple Mount, at the request of Rabbi Goren, the I.D.F. broke through the gate to ensure free entry for Jews, thereby expressing sovereignty over the Temple Mount. However, this act did not change the order prohibiting Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount.

Rabbi Goren goes on to relate: "Whenever I warned about handing over of the Holy of Holies of the Jewish nation to the Waqf, the response of consecutive Prime Ministers was: ‘Look, in any case the Chief Rabbinate forbids Jews from ascending the Temple Mount, and we are prohibited from praying there." As a result, he decided to write the book and explain the ways, places, and conditions under which it is permitted to enter the Temple Mount (pg. 35). Consequently "we must utilize to the fullest all sides of the heter, so we can demonstrate continuous Jewish presence there, and maintain Jewish sovereignty over the Mount, like the apple of our eye" (pg. 46).

The Chief Rabbinate’s Sign

It has been claimed that during his tenure as Chief Rabbi, Rabbi Goren agreed to the prohibition of entering the Temple Mount, but this is not true. In the introduction to his book, he wrote: "During my tenure as Chief Rabbi of Israel, I brought a proposal to the Council of the Chief Rabbinate to remove the signs banning entrance to the Temple Mount as determined by the previous Chief Rabbis. Because there were a few members on the Council who had signed on the ban at the time, they requested delaying the decision to remove the signs prohibiting going up to Har Habayit until after I published the book ..." For various reasons, the books’ publication was delayed, and the signs remained in place, "which, in effect, led to the handing over of Har Habayit to the Muslim Waqf" (ibid pg. 35).

Desecration of the Holy

Moreover, he wrote: "This shameful situation, where under Israeli rule a Jew does not have the right to pray on the mountain of God, cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The debate over where it is permitted according to Jewish law to go on the Temple Mount, or where it is forbidden, has nothing to do with the government ... These sacred places are not the private property of the Muslim Waqf, whose members have always been a source of bitterness and poison for the Jews, with their incitement from within the mosques on the Temple Mount to slaughter the Jews... had they closed the Temple Mount to Jews and non-Jews alike, I would have kept quiet, but to allow the Arabs to do there as they please while Jews are forbidden to even open up a Book of Psalms and pour out their hearts before the Creator of the world – this is a religious, historical, and legal scandal – nothing short of blasphemy! "(pg. 41).
He further added (pg. 42) that by abstaining from going up to the Temple Mount, the Torah prohibition of ‘lo techonem’ (‘nor be gracious to them’), which may also be rendered ‘do not allow them to settle on the soil’ (Avoda Zara 20a) is transgressed, seeing as the poskim (Jewish law arbiters) have already established that the loss of sovereignty is similar to destruction (B.Y. and M.A., O.C. 561:1). Thus, when the government forbids Jews to go up freely, it destroys the place of our Holy Temple yet again.

The Words of Rabbi Tzvi Yehuda HaKohen Kook

Our teacher and guide, Rabbi Tzvi Yehudah HaKohen Kook, agreed with the poskim who prohibited going up to Har Habayit. But in my humble opinion, it seems that had he known that the over- cautiousness of going up to Har Habayit would result in the loss of sovereignty and turning the Temple Mount into a focal point of hatred against Israel – he would have agreed with Rabbi Goren that it is permitted and a mitzvah to go up. In addition, in my humble opinion, he would have trusted Rabbi Goren’s halakhic inquiries in regards to the areas permitted to enter.

Blessed are Those Who Ascend the Temple Mount

The continuation of the disgraceful situation on the Temple Mount brings our enemies hope, and motivates them to kill and riot throughout the country. In order to suppress the wave of terrorism and incitement from its roots, the government and the police must assert Israeli sovereignty over the Temple Mount in the most decisive manner.

Blessed are those who go up to Har Habayit, but only if that is done according to halakha. Thanks to them, our sovereignty over the Temple Mount and all of the Land of Israel becomes clearer, and precisely as a result of this, we will merit security and peace.
This article appears in the ‘Besheva’ newspaper, and was translated from Hebrew.

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Goren? The Matir Asurim! the Metaher Mamzerim!! That. ocher Yisroel!!!!! Even the Rasha Kook didn't go that far. But of course this site is always looking for the most Kal Shebekalim, & sticking up for those.

Dusiznies said...

To 8:22
You are right that we are "always looking for the most Kal Shebekalim"
and we find it: YOU!
Only those Rabbis that smell from herring are Poiskim, by YOU?

Yeshivish Lite said...

Rabbi Melamed is making a mockery of Rav Kook in my opinion who is deserving of respect unlike Goren.

The entire Charedi world plus the right leaning Dati Leumi agree it is forbidden to ascend.

No one who is a respected posek says you can go up. So what is the point of bringing these fringe opinions when the question is severe as chiyuv karess?

Dusiznies said...

8:53
Please read the article before you shoot your mouth off

Anonymous said...

Because this site is only interested in the most lenient and easiest interpretation of halacha whether fringe ormainstream, right or left,right or wrong, is besides the point, Goren Or Kook, anyone is fine, as long that he tows the line.

Anonymous said...

There are different opinions, so it's stupid to call Rabbi Goren names. just don't go up there if you don't want to because nobody knows for sure.

Anonymous said...

It's good to see another point of view even if I'm not convinced yet that it's permitted to walk on Har Habayis. But Rav Melamed is a true,clear-thinking gadol, and it's enlightening to read his opinion.

the Derby...Of course, this opens the genie bottle to the haters, lashon hora, true authentic Torah'niks to curse and horse-snort. Whatever...

Anonymous said...

"...So what is the point of bringing these fringe opinions when ..."... because, Yeshivish Lite, it's a piece of Torah. Only yeshivish fringe pilpellerei is Torah?
I guess listening to a Shabbos Hagodal/ Shabbos Shuva drasha dissecting whether if one eats a kezei'is tevel bezman hazeh beshoggeg is mechuyev to be mezamin 2 others lechatchila according to most poskim, then speaking 2 minutes about inyonu deyomah because mincha is approaching, is not fringe.

Derby.... " Olam Hofech ru'eesee.."

Salted Pretzel said...

Briskers do not even enter the airspace within a few inches of the kosel. Yiras shomayim leads to safeguards like that while gayvah leads to breaking down all inhibitions.

Could that be one of the reasons why Goren's personal bodyguard once attacked a Brisker bochur, flipping him over & breaking his leg? At that point it is not clear if Goren told the bodyguard "tafsik" or "maspik".

Rav Binyomin Paler ztl who was a big tzaddik did not enter the entire kosel plaza.

Anonymous said...

Yeshivish Lite aka Salted pretzel :
I'd be more impressed with your talk of yiras shamayim if you first stopped blabbing rechilos and loshon horah.

I'm even more impressed with ehrliche Yidden, yerei Shomayim ,rabbonim who daven and touch the Kosel than with yeshivish bal gaavaniks who are packaged in pretzel bags with Brisker hecchsheirim.


the Derby...

Henoch said...

See this article on the issues of going on Har Habayis in our time:

http://www.hakirah.org/Vol%2010%20Messner.pdf

Dusiznies said...

11:13
I was a talmud of Rave Paler z"l, don't get me started!

Salted Pretzel said...

So if you are Rav Paler's ztl's talmid and you address him properly as ztl, you know what I am saying is true.

So then what's with backing non-conformist opinions who try to put words in the mouth of Rav Kook that even he never said?

There are people who do the same thing to make up any garbage they want.

Avi Weiss wanted women "rabbis" so he had Dr. Daniel Sperber write a "teshuva" putting words in the mouth of Kadmonim.

Michael Broyde wants to justify his wife not covering her hair so he spent 2 decades creating fake identities and writing to the OU halacha journal that his fake identity is a talmid of R' Isser Zalman Meltzer and that Rav Schach told him women don't have to cover their hair.

Anonymous said...

You're mixing everybody in together from left field and running around like a chicken without a head.

Salted Pretzel said...

"from left field"

Yes, because advocates for women "rabbis", ervah and chayvei koraiss in the mokom Mikdash are all from DEEP LEFT FIELD!

I also forgot to mention Stevie Riskin who waited until after Rav Soloveitchik passed away when no one could verify that he supposedly "approved" the non-mechitza in Wink n Stare synagogue where no matter what seat the men were in were forced to stare at women.

Dusiznies said...

To Pretzel
I would not go where you just went, for the following reasons...
Rav Paler was a Talmud Muvhak of the Brisker Rav, that's why he didn't go to the Kosel, but all his chidren go, and now the Briskers all go!
You said
"Michael Broyde wants to justify his wife not covering her hair"
Rav Moshe Feinstein's rebbetzin did not cover her hair for many many years, eventhough Rav Moshe z"l himself paskens that a married lady must cover her hair..
I guess Shaolom Bayis came first!

Anonymous said...

youre still in left field because your bringing all kinds of people about different things that have nothing to do with this topic. You're not giving any evidence but making statements that may not even be true. Wo tells you to stare at women?

Salted Pretzel said...

I do not believe R' Moishe's rebbitzen did that.

I do know for a fact that the halacha is someone must divorce his wife if she refuses to cover her hair but R' Moishe specifically poskened for someone who asked him that he doesn't have to because in her case it is temporary.

The Briskers today go to the kosel, yes, but they hold back the last few inches and so do many other yeshivishe people because if Brisk is correct then why take a chance with such an issur chomur. Over 1000s of years the wall could have slightly shifted but the airspace is still off limits.

Anonymous said...

so who cares if they hold back, most don't. what's your point anyway?

Anonymous said...

The POINT is Yiras Shomayim, which obviously you are lacking, and don't have any, at all, at all, at all,...........Maklo Yagid Lo...........

Anonymous said...

is that the point? only briskers & u have YS ? Millions of others don't. ok. you made a good point.

Anonymous said...

excuse me, whats with the maklo yagid/ R U into kishuf as YS?

Dusiznies said...

to pretzel
I do not want to give myself away at this point....
suffice it to say that I drove Reb Moshe to at least two weddings, in the summer, before you were born!
The Rebbitzen at that time did not cover her hair!

Brisker said...

Interessante discussion

Since the Feinstein rebbitzen was a Europeyishe, she would have to have been influenced by Maskillim in der Heim if it's true she didn't cover her hair. I admit it was very difficult to escape the claws of the Maskillim who were very persuasive and used to purposely stalk anyone with a high IQ to win them over & make their camp stronger. (R' Aron Kotler, R' Yaakov Kaminetzky & R' Reuvein Grozovsky were friends learning together in Zivchei Tzedek in Minsk. When Maskillim got on their case there a rov sent them in a hurry to Slabodka away from those reshoyim.)

There was a similar problem in the Soloveitchik family where R' J.B's mother was influenced by Maskillim.

It's just a shame that R' Moishe's legacy is soiled by the likes of the Tendlers.

Anonymous said...

Harav r' Moshe Feinstein was basically really really frum for instance, even though he was Matir Chalav Stam, he didn't drink it, it's a well known story, a true story, that he used to stay at his son in law Tendler, for some time in the summer, Tendler did use Chalav Stam, but there was Chalav Yisroel also in the house for harav Moshe, once they inadvertently served him Chalav Stam, when he found out, he purged himself, and FASTED the next day, I'm sure Harav Moshe never said a Davar Shebikdusha when she was around with open hair, unless he turned yo another direction.

Tendler Trinity of Human Garbage said...

Did they corrupt the centerfold cousins?

Anonymous said...

Brisk is very judgmental , and critical of everybody.They know the history of everybody's mother and wife and are obsessed with maskils, maybe that's why there are so few Briskers. From the Briskers blogs here, they stay away from the kotel and just wave, but kiss the sefer Torah covers. Something is crazy about them.

Anonymous said...

How do you know that Rav Moshe Feinstein turned in another direction, and what makes u so sure.You Briskers tell much B/S like it's a fact.Also when did he fast/ Who told u that? You guys treat truth like poison.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like Briskerers are nothing but nosy busybodies who only find fault in others. Nobody in any Jewish orthodox neighborhood know much about Briskerers, so why you nobodies so arrogant?

Anonymous said...

Maklo Yagid lo, is not a persons handle or name, the Gemara says that someone who always looks for the most lenient Psak, is to be called that, MAKLO YAGID LO, it's a word play on the word Maklo, usually interpreted, STICK, and now its meaning is, he's looking for KULOS.

Anonymous said...

The Briskers are the creame dala creame, of Klal Yisroel.

Anonymous said...

is that why u guys don't dirty your hands with a day's work ?Are u all kohanim/

Anonymous said...

pardon me asking these questions but I never met a briskerer and don't know what they look like if I tripped over one. Don't get mad.

Anonymous said...

So how come harav Moshe Feinstein married a maskil?

Anonymous said...

Harav Feinstein was makpid to uphold everything that says in the shulchan aruch, & accordingly definitely couldn't & wouldn't be able to make a bracha with anyone in the room with exposed hair, the fact that that's the halacha, is sufficient proof of this, rav Feinstein, was a gaon olam, and a tzaddik yesod olam, even though some of his pesakim were not accepted because of their leniency, still there wasn't any doubt about his greatness in tora veyiras shomayim, as a matter of fact he was and is revered globally.

Anonymous said...

Everone already knows he was great, You still didn't answer the questions .

Anonymous said...

so for 60 years u know for a fact he turned away when his maskil wife made a bracha.u were in his home .bulshit

Anonymous said...

You Briskerers don't answer the questions but just spin yarns.Are there briskevers in Allentown Pa/ I'd like to me one.

Anonymous said...

How come Briskevers know everything/ I'm in Allentown and I have a lot of questions for you about some lady.

Anonymous said...

is briskev in the Poconos/ where's briskev?

Dusiznies said...

9:12
I spent 4 summers very close to Rav Moshe z"l and his rebbettizen...
she did not cover her hair, not inside the bungalow and not outside...
yes, in the 70's she covered her hair!
I'm not judging Rav Moishe z"l nor his Rebbittin who was a great tzadikes, but there was a comment above that Rabbi Broydie's wife didn't cover her hair, to that I said that Rav Moish's wife didn't cover her hair either...
To come up with a Kackamanie sevorah that she had some "thin" shaitel is crazy...
I know what I saw daily closeup!

Kackamamie said...

Even if true, R' Moishe did not come up with phony justifications when the halacha states a woman must cover her hair.

He certainly doesn't like Broyde and spend 20 years creating fictional identities to trick the OU journal into publishing his lies. The OU pulled back from giving his fake identity credence when they demanded to send an OU rep to meet him in person and Broyde stopped replying to their emails. The OU was incredibly dumb though to have even initially believed him. "Rabbi David Keter" claimed to be a Columbia U grad who then became a talmid of R' Isser Zalman Melzer in Eitz Chaim, an alter yishuv yeshiva! How's that for kackamamie?!

Anonymous said...

Boy, you briskevers know everything. R U coming to Allentown soon/and answer the questions

Anonymous said...

How come Rav Feinstein agreed to maryy a lady you call a maskil/ How do u know that he turned his head from her / answer that

Anonymous said...

Briskever throw so many things from left field and don't make any point.It must come from some learning device to confuse, so they don't have to answer questions. How do they know about everybody.

Anonymous said...

Briskevers also change their names every hour . They'ree so smart.

Anonymous said...

So much gossip to keep everybody busy . Mechitzas, Brode, Rabbis Schach, Feinstein,Goren, Riskin, Kotler, Avi Weiss, Young Israel, OU, dr. Keter,kokomamie,maklo yagid,chalv stam,dr. Sperber. How come nobody heard of the smart briskever before? Do they learn in a yeshiva or read biographies/ They're so knowledgeable.

Hershel Goldwasser said...

http://newsdesk.tjctv.com/2013/04/the-rabbi-behind-the-screen/

Can the Brisker & yeshivish commentators substantiate their scurrilous allegations that Rabbi Michael Broyde invented fake characters?

Anonymous said...

Briskerers won't answer you like they didn't me. theyre too smart to get caught in their gossip.

Dus iz neas for Dummies said...

The "Hershel Goldwasser" comment flew right over the head of 2:14 pm

Anonymous said...

It flew over my head. So why did Rav Feinstein marry this lady and how do you know he turned his head away for 60 years/ please fly something over my head again. I'm learning something new about briskeres that they also fly.

Anonymous said...

That's what I said before that Briskrers change their names to hide themselves.Briskerers have masks and are magicians. My name is Mindy from Allentown. Hi

Anonymous said...

The shatchen wants to set me up with a briskerer boy that flies so how could I find out who he really is/ Im nervous because I don't know too much and the Briskever boy will know so much more about everything.

Anonymous said...

I "believe" the rebbitzen didn't cover her hair just like I "believe" that there is a single girl "Mindy" from Allentown in the "parsha" who is reading this blog and is curious about Brisker bochurim.

Anonymous said...

Especial y about gossip and everybodys mother, he says shulchen aroch doesn' t mention it. is that true/

Anonymous said...

Why don't you believe me/ I'm curious about Briskerevers because they know everything and can fly anyplace. Is a doily good for covering my head/ please let me know. Mindy

Velvel said...

If you are really that clueless, here is where you can find Briskers:

Israel
Lakewood
Brooklyn
Monsey
South Fallsburg

Dusiznies said...

2:52
You forgot to mention...
Hell

Bishvil DIN nivra haoylam? said...

You claim that you go straight to Gan Eden and ONLY you?

Briskers are big on making cheshbon hanefesh before they die. Maybe you should start early.

Anonymous said...

I love these cool briskevers names this shy briskevesr boy uses especially Velvel Hershel, pretzel , derby,henoch lite,salted,bishvil DIN, it's so creative. Mindy from Allenwood.
. Please tell me how you know Rav Feinstein turned his head away for 60 years. I'm single by the way.

Barry Freundel said...

Mindy, can you post your picture?

Anonymous said...

Re: DIN 5:45-- you are a real menuvel. Claiming that you lead the fight for the masses against the "evil" rabbonim. Now their are corrupt rabbonim dont get me wrong. But your agenda is coming out. You have sinah for groups of yidden; satmar now brisk. I don't know from which torah you saw that condemning another group of Jews to hell is muttar. I hope you do teshuva i will have you in mind by Rifoeinu.

Dusiznies said...

7:10
Where did I ever mention Brisk?
And I never claimed 'to lead the fight for the masses against the "evil rabbonim!
Stop putting words in my mouth... you meshiginer!
There are actually great Rabbonim that I look up to,...
I never "condemned any Jew to hell"
someone asked where you can find briskers? So after 2:52 listed all the places, i wrote "Hell"
because I'm sure there are some there tooo.Im sure there are briskers in Gan Eden Too.

Anonymous said...

May I show it in Briskev?, First tell me how you know that the Rav turned head when his wife made a bracha for 60 years.Why cant you answer this/ I will only wear a doily so you not want me.

Anonymous said...

R U serious/ you 7,10***The Torah of satmar does actually condemn other Jews to hell. and have sinah for yidden.Why is that ok?

Anonymous said...

Satmer once attacked Rav Feinstein in N.Y. they always get a free pass. Why?

Anonymous said...

Toras of satmer condemns many Jews to hell so I won't date one because I wear kulotts, Mindy. Briskevers maybe don't mind because the shulchan aroch doesn't talk about kulotts.

Anonymous said...

Lol.. at least it's very entertaining here.. But I'm commenting now because as I peruse .. My antenna vibrates. You get this intuition about something or someone.. So I stop at 7:10... Very familiar... the stench gets stronger and stronger... Yup, there he is... Hiding behind the shoshanim... The
vile" authentic true Torah " hypocrite, liar, nivel peh'nik and baryoni who openly defies his Daas Torah bans on using the Internet...and galach sermoning again.. giving mussar.. You can't hide scumbag...

the Derby....

Anonymous said...

Please, are doillies kosher like a mechitza in Rav Riskin's shul/ Mindy, why dn't briskevers like Young Israel?

Anonymous said...

".....I don't know from which torah you saw that condemning another group of Jews to hell is muttar...."
From you, hypocrite.. From your snout cursing Rav Kook ZT"L and other rabbonim with Zionist sympathies... What, you think you'll get away with this???? You, foul-mouthed loathesome excuse for a human being... From you... alimentary canal.. From you and the Satmar shitta of violent language... Even respectable and non-Zionists who disagree with Zionism don't use the dog doo disguised as your toireleh you drop here....


the Derby...A psychopath has no qualms about lying in someone's face... That's why he's a psycho..